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Raised baskets and artificial OB/ropes 17 17.71%
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Old 09-25-2020, 06:05 PM
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I think I can safely assume your opinions on the 2 meter rule.
If you can reach it, no penalty. If you can identify it, you can take your drop under it with a stroke. If you can't identify it, back to the original lie with a stroke penalty. Seems unfair there is no penalty for basically throwing your disc out of play.
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If you can reach it, no penalty.
Seems pretty unfair advantage for tall players.

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... Player A lands 1 inch long into the artificial OB area 10 feet from basket, player B lands 200 feet short into same OB area (island green in this scenario). Both move to drop zone for a putt. It's really not logical to have one player throw nearly a perfect shot and another a terrible one and end up with the same result.
They both threw imperfect shots. I keep saying this, but your problem is this perception of 'luck' and 'fairness'. OB is not a punishment for the 'unlucky'...it's a reward for the more skilled player. 'Nearly' is something they measure horseshoe tournaments with.

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Skill is NOT rewarded because of OB and the OB rewarded the guy with the terrible throw.
No, skill is rewarded because of OB...unforutunatley neither player had to skillset to take advantage of it.

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They both threw imperfect shots. I keep saying this, but your problem is this perception of 'luck' and 'fairness'. OB is not a punishment for the 'unlucky'...it's a reward for the more skilled player. 'Nearly' is something they measure horseshoe tournaments with.



No, skill is rewarded because of OB...unforutunatley neither player had to skillset to take advantage of it.
I agree. I do think there are some excessive uses of OB and that’s the fine line of good design.
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Old 09-26-2020, 06:14 AM
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They both threw imperfect shots. I keep saying this, but your problem is this perception of 'luck' and 'fairness'. OB is not a punishment for the 'unlucky'...it's a reward for the more skilled player. 'Nearly' is something they measure horseshoe tournaments with.



No, skill is rewarded because of OB...unforutunatley neither player had to skillset to take advantage of it.
10 feet away from 300 feet is not a bad shot. In fact it's called parked by Udisc statistics. Yet you can be OB on some courses or layouts. How silly is that?
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10 feet away from 300 feet is not a bad shot. In fact it's called parked by Udisc statistics. Yet you can be OB on some courses or layouts. How silly is that?
It's a bad shot if OB is there, and someone threw to that side of the basket.

On a 300' hole in an open field, the target landing spot is the pole. On the same hole with OB on one side, the target landing area is opposite the OB. A player is challenged to get closer to the pole, as the risk of going OB, but with the reward of an easier putt if he pulls it off. The shot that lands OB isn't 10' off---it's 25' off where it should have been targeted. No different than a hole next to a natural slope or a cluster of natural trees or some other natural obstacles.

Risk/Reward. It's not for everyone. Some prefer that 300' shot in the open field. That's why we have variety in courses, and none are compulsory.

And last I heard, UDisc wasn't using AI to calculate the mental game.

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58 seconds in McBeth talks about making improvements for the pro game.
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Have we heard from all of them though? Maybe when confronted with the option of no artificial OB or raised baskets to smaller baskets 90% choose the latter. Truth is we do not know.
 

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58 seconds in McBeth talks about making improvements for the pro game.
You need to get off these forums and design that basket. McBeth needs you before his new course is finished. Im sure he will install your baskets instead of standard sized.

Oh and you keep saying only replace as needed...won't that be even more gimmicky when some courses have old baskets and some have new smaller ones?

So let's say hole 15 basket is damaged, you replace it with a small one? Now you have 2 different sized baskets on one course. The ultimate gimmick
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