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Old 10-21-2019, 07:22 PM
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IMO, giving yourself mulligans isn't a good way to improve your mental game, even if your keeping score with your 1st throw and putt. This is just practice for making a better 2nd or 3rd shot

Instead, practice like you're playing a tournament, and make each shot count. A big part of the mental game is not letting mistakes affect your play.
What I have done before when playing is purposely do a bad first, second, or third shot to see if I can make it out of the spot where I want to try something in practice.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:54 PM
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If you are going to throw two shots off the tee, approach them the exact same way. Take your time on the second one just as much as the first. It doesn't help to just speed through the second one and not focus.
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:58 PM
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There are tons of books and information on this. Outside of basic eye hand coordination and practice, the mental game is pretty important. But, I do agree with Jay Dub, we overthink this sometimes.

I simply try to "quiet my mind", giving me a chance to focus on the task at hand. Outside distractions don't bother me, but if work sucked, or the wife is pissed....I can struggle to focus in on the task. Once I can quiet my mind, I spent a couple seconds visualizing the shot (successful shot) and a couple quick mental reminders that trip me up often. (Keep my head up, follow though....).

This is the same routine I use for darts, bowling, swat and disc golf putting, pool, cornhole.... It works pretty well for all of them. Honestly, all of this is pretty hard work and is helped with practice. Practice like you play, casual play like you play in tournaments.

There are times that the effort is too much. I found this true in darts. I played steel tip leagues for decades and often I just could not let the work day go. It was just too much effort. It was easier to mail it in and grab another cold malty beverage.

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Old 10-21-2019, 11:53 PM
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If you are going to throw two shots off the tee, approach them the exact same way. Take your time on the second one just as much as the first. It doesn't help to just speed through the second one and not focus.
That makes sense and I can see where I mess up with this. I've really had to work on doing the whole routine start to finish as SW laid out somewhere. One legged swings at the front of the box, feeling and visualizing then backing up to the back of the box, deep full breath and throw. There are many times I feel kinda silly going through the whole thing, or short shots I just feel comfortable with to step up loosen my shoulders and send it.

Your post does make me think though. I *think* i am just tossing discs casually, but in my head I'm almost NEVER that casual. Always thinking improvement and practice. hmmmmm...

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There are tons of books and information on this. Outside of basic eye hand coordination and practice, the mental game is pretty important. But, I do agree with Jay Dub, we overthink this sometimes.
I didn't worry too much about the mental game on my drives, a bit on my upshots and my putting got me looking at the books. Have Golf is not a game of Perfect and Zen Golf... as well as Zen and the Art of Disc Golf (I would give this one a pass, I see what the guy tried to do but just re-associate the other two ball golf books into DG for ourselves this book is a big miss) and though it was putting I felt I needed help (and still do *sigh*) those books helped a TON with the rest of my game. I still can get really inconsistent and bad shots happen but I don't normally have an entire round of bad throws now, but when I look at the scores I could post if nothing else but my 20' and in putts got better? I'd jump to MP40 right away.

As I said in the OP i've never considered my weakness in a sport to be the mental side but whollly crap my putting.....

But what brought about the thread is really that because of those books, because of the putting woes I've really thought more and more about my mental approach to every shot. Which.. consequently got me thinking about this particular case and wondering as much what got my drives near perfect from an ok round to why was the round only ok before that?

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Old 10-22-2019, 12:54 PM
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Putting is 90% mental once your mechanics are down. Maybe post some putting videos and let us see if you are doing anything glaringly wrong.

Do you make more putts in practice than in a round?
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I realize when my drives are off my putts are way better. I'm too focused on my drives that when I am around the basket I am already pissed at the hole. I don't care. If only I can drive AND putt well haha.
Yup. My approach and putts usually go hand in hand with each other. The combination is usually the opposite of my driving though. When I'm on with my putts and approaches and my drives are going anywhere but where I want them to, I force myself to throw either a trusty mid or putter off the tee.
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Putting is 90% mental once your mechanics are down. Maybe post some putting videos and let us see if you are doing anything glaringly wrong.

Do you make more putts in practice than in a round?
Oh... my putting problems are 100% mental. Yes I make way more putts in practice, although I can lose focus and be 50% from 20' I can also get in a groove and nail 20/20 that feel effortless.

In a round? Even casual I think i'm 30% from C1X - ish and only about 60% from inside, like 8'-12' maybe better than 60% in a casual round.
My last tournament was unsanctioned single round, and I had a good day for me putting. The way I described it the day of is that my birdie misses were mediocre drives rather than bad putts and I made everything from the gimmie distance, I think of that is ~12' and in. Most competitive rounds I will have 1 or 3 misses from very short. BUT... a lot of those makes were not super confident and some seemed more lucky than good they stayed in the basket.

I hadn't really thought of filming my putting, just because I've been told by some pretty good players off and on that I look good or smooth putting, VS a couple years ago where I KNOW it was all herky jerky spastic. But there is a difference in feeling from practice to playing.
Interesting in one chapter in Zen Golf he talks about the mind-body being a feedback loop, and the apparent physical changes that can occur in the body from negative mind.

Seems maybe what would help is a video comparison to practice putting vs putting during play. To see what might be different. It definitely feels different. Like my shoulder locks up and I can't feel the disc. Most of my changes in practice have to do with some kind of cue to focus on that I can take onto the course to keep in the correct mind set and be repeatable.

Most recently, and it came to me on the course after I missed a pretty short birdie putt, then picked up my driver (star eagle) and effortlessly putted a laser into the heart of the basket. Reflecting on what was going on in my mind when I threw the driver I recall feeling the rim, actually focusing on how it felt with a putting grip compared to my regular grip, AND that I actively tried to spin the disc and how much different that is than a normal BH throw. When I got home I tired to put my mind in that same place with putting into my practice basket with putters and it DID seem to help... i haven't had a chance to go to the course yet, and there have been a lot of things I thought were giant breakthroughs in practice that haven't really amounted to much on the course.

Just as a note, basically all of last year and a bit beyond my big problem was missing low. Best summed up by a kid I'd played with a bunch working out of town, during a doubles round I had missed several short ones in a row and he whispers to his partner (I don't think I was supposed to hear but did) 'he's got a good putt but its like he's afraid of the disc".
The problem would be short and straight online. But then when I tried to put more on the putt I would airball right.
I had a big revelation and help last winter playing in a marksman league. The big help was that in that format I was actually not that bad, in fact better than average which was a bit of a surprise. For a while it carried over to the course and my average score dropped considerably... but then I just lost it again late spring and I'm back to the struggles.
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Old 10-22-2019, 07:09 PM
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If you are going to throw two shots off the tee, approach them the exact same way. Take your time on the second one just as much as the first. It doesn't help to just speed through the second one and not focus.
I was meaning treat the round like a tournament when scoring but fly discs on those shots to spots I would not normally play, like odd spots on the hole.
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Old 10-22-2019, 07:15 PM
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Oh... my putting problems are 100% mental. Yes I make way more putts in practice, although I can lose focus and be 50% from 20' I can also get in a groove and nail 20/20 that feel effortless.

In a round? Even casual I think i'm 30% from C1X - ish and only about 60% from inside, like 8'-12' maybe better than 60% in a casual round.
My last tournament was unsanctioned single round, and I had a good day for me putting. The way I described it the day of is that my birdie misses were mediocre drives rather than bad putts and I made everything from the gimmie distance, I think of that is ~12' and in. Most competitive rounds I will have 1 or 3 misses from very short. BUT... a lot of those makes were not super confident and some seemed more lucky than good they stayed in the basket.

I hadn't really thought of filming my putting, just because I've been told by some pretty good players off and on that I look good or smooth putting, VS a couple years ago where I KNOW it was all herky jerky spastic. But there is a difference in feeling from practice to playing.
Interesting in one chapter in Zen Golf he talks about the mind-body being a feedback loop, and the apparent physical changes that can occur in the body from negative mind.

Seems maybe what would help is a video comparison to practice putting vs putting during play. To see what might be different. It definitely feels different. Like my shoulder locks up and I can't feel the disc. Most of my changes in practice have to do with some kind of cue to focus on that I can take onto the course to keep in the correct mind set and be repeatable.

Most recently, and it came to me on the course after I missed a pretty short birdie putt, then picked up my driver (star eagle) and effortlessly putted a laser into the heart of the basket. Reflecting on what was going on in my mind when I threw the driver I recall feeling the rim, actually focusing on how it felt with a putting grip compared to my regular grip, AND that I actively tried to spin the disc and how much different that is than a normal BH throw. When I got home I tired to put my mind in that same place with putting into my practice basket with putters and it DID seem to help... i haven't had a chance to go to the course yet, and there have been a lot of things I thought were giant breakthroughs in practice that haven't really amounted to much on the course.

Just as a note, basically all of last year and a bit beyond my big problem was missing low. Best summed up by a kid I'd played with a bunch working out of town, during a doubles round I had missed several short ones in a row and he whispers to his partner (I don't think I was supposed to hear but did) 'he's got a good putt but its like he's afraid of the disc".
The problem would be short and straight online. But then when I tried to put more on the putt I would airball right.
I had a big revelation and help last winter playing in a marksman league. The big help was that in that format I was actually not that bad, in fact better than average which was a bit of a surprise. For a while it carried over to the course and my average score dropped considerably... but then I just lost it again late spring and I'm back to the struggles.
I am the exact opposite but then I use an Innova Skillshot for practice and when going to a course I make more putts from about 20 feet then I do in practice. most of this is just due to using a basket that is similar size to a regular basket just smaller. I do not a Marksman/Bulls-eye or I might do a putt that would never make it on a regular basket. Now for a another reason I miss more in practice then on a course is I use 4 putters when putting in practice as most pro players say no more then 3-5 putters or you will just pick up putter and try again not really focusing on the why you are missing.

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Old 10-23-2019, 06:48 AM
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What I have done before when playing is purposely do a bad first, second, or third shot to see if I can make it out of the spot where I want to try something in practice.
I read where that is not a good idea because the odds of those shots actually happening are fairly low. A better approach on tough holes imop is to simply take 3 drives off the tee using a driver, mid, putter and play them all out. That should give you enough discovery to help learn the hole.
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