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Old 02-20-2020, 01:35 PM
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I appreciate all the disc suggestion from everybody, but I wasn't looking to buy more discs. What I was trying to figure out with this thread is, WHY is that slot so niche?
The overstable 6-8 is niche because since they are slower they don't fight the wind or handle power as well as speed 9 overstable. Additionally, there are a ton of overstable putters and mids that are easier to range because they are slower, while still being very overstable. There didn't used to be putters like a zone or mid like a justice that can handle all the power and a lot of wind for elite level players.

When those speed 6-8 discs were made, there was a serious need for it. Now, it's kind of old technology and not used very much (similar to a 3W in golf - 4I is easier to hit and stays lower)
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Old 02-20-2020, 01:48 PM
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I think it just depends on your bag setup preference. Personally, I don't use mids much, so having that 7ish speed utility disc is a necessity. Other people love those 5ish speed OS mids and don't need the slow fairway spot.
I'd have to agree with Brutus here. I carry 4 speed 7 or 8 discs but usually 3 mids, sometimes 2. I think we're in the minority for sure. I also don't throw anything faster than an 10 speed except a shryke occasionally.

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Old 02-20-2020, 03:11 PM
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I've heard a lot of people say that they'll just power down a Firebird, because it powers down well. Does, say, a Thunderbird or Valkyrie or Roadrunner not power down just as well?
My sense is that the more overstable a disc is, the better it powers down. If I throw a Firebird at 90%, it goes kinda far and fades hard, while if I throw it at 50% it goes less far but still fades hard. The Firebird's flight is basically the same at the two power levels. If I throw a Valkyrie at 90%, it turns and goes really far, while if I throw it at 50% it goes straight for a bit and then fades. If I want a 50% throw to make a disc turn like a Valk does at 90% I need a different (slower or flippier) disc.

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Old 02-20-2020, 04:46 PM
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Saying a speed 9 os has more utility than a speed 7 is flawed. Different maybe, but not more. A firebird is not that much better in the wind than a flat Banshee but the latter feels better in more grips than the former, especially if you have smaller hands. I'd much rather thumber a Banshee than a FB for example. A speed 7 will still power down easier too.

I much prefer a speed 7 small diameter driver (as opposed to Viper or Moab) as my OS utility driver rather than carry a Zone and a Firebird. The speed 7 driver can do the jobs of both and if it's got a good, blunt rim like Banshees, is a far superior FH roller to putters, mids or even most FB type drivers. If I really want to cut through wind, I'm already bagging faster discs that are better at that than speed 9 drivers anyway.

Zone type putters have made FH approaches really easy, especially on flex lines. Not many putters are OS enough to do that. Same with Justice. Very few wide mids are OS enough to hold an anny on a flex line. The popularity of those two have really cut into the short to mid-range usage of slow drivers.

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Old 02-20-2020, 04:48 PM
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I just throw a more overstable firebird for that. No worry of going too far, it doesnt like flying.
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Old 02-20-2020, 05:38 PM
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My range goes: Zone, Xtreme, hellfire, NukeOS. I throw them all the same power pretty much. Get the similar flight paths at just different distances.

Not a big fan of powering down high speed OS discs unless it’s a funky dogleg or you need that big skip.
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Old 02-20-2020, 05:52 PM
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I'd have to agree with Brutus here. I carry 4 speed 7 or 8 discs but usually 3 mids, sometimes 2. I think we're in the minority for sure. I also don't throw anything faster than an 10 speed except a shryke occasionally.
Yeah, thats how I roll as well. I go speed 3 -> speed 7 and then veeeery rarely speed 11. Mostly speed 3 and speed 7. You guys are making your bag too complicated with this 3->5->7->9->12->13 stuff. Keep it simple

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Old 02-20-2020, 06:02 PM
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Blaze, Banshee, and XXX are what you're looking for.

It's kind of a niche slot, similar to a speed 6 understable fairway or fast understable mid.
Discraft makes the most and best US speed 6 discs like the Archer and Stratus being the main 2 and the Glide is slightly US as well as the now OOP plastic X Xpress. Then Innova has the Dragon and Archangel as its two US discs. The Dragon has the R-DX, yes it is called DX but really it is a lower durability R-Pro now in latest years of runs since 2018-2019 it has been R-DX. Also Dragon is a tad slower Valkyrie. The Archangel is in DX so it will be okay to use.

Problem is not enough pro players are calling for speed 7 fairway discs in general so most companies have speed 7-8 discs overlooked more so the speed 7 with only a few staying from companies that made speed 7-8 discs when those were as fast as one could get in a disc. Yeah speed 6 is not nearly as overlooked as those discs often end up in beginner sets and are used by better players as the too short for fairway driver too long for midrange disc type shot or the need a faster disc for tight tunnels as most of the speed 6 discs are neutral in flight that are still made.
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Old 02-20-2020, 06:05 PM
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Yeah, thats how I roll as well. I go speed 3 -> speed 7 and then veeeery rarely speed 11. Mostly speed 3 and speed 7. You guys are making your bag too complicated with this 3->5->7->9->12->13 stuff. Keep it simple
Currently messing around with only 3->5->9 and adding in big guns when playing longer courses.

although now that I think about it a harp might be a four... but same thing lol

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Millennium EXP-X fit in this discussion too .
This is what I use for an overstable fairway. It is more controllable than a Firebird and excels at shorter range/powered down throws. Compares to a Banshee but not domey terds like all the newer runs have been. The EXP also pairs nicely with Teebirds or Eagles since it has the same rim.
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