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Old 02-28-2020, 06:51 AM
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I think Paige likes her new putter. . 100% C1x and 60% C2 !! . . did any of the men even beat that stat?
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Old 02-28-2020, 08:46 AM
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One odd thing. . -8 was 1021 rated for both MPO and FPO...but they did not play the same layout, two holes are shorter for FPO
Last night I was looking at the ratings and saw that the layouts weren't properly assigned to the divisions. Tournament Manager had the FPO division playing the MPO layout. "OMG, quick, fix that before anyone writes any stories about Paige shooting a 1021 in round one!" Got the TD to fix it ...... and the ratings stayed precisely the same. I've never seen it work out that nicely before.

The difference between the MPO and FPO layouts is about 100' each on 2 holes. The courses are very, very similar, so it makes sense that the ratings on the two layouts should be similar. But being precisely the same is a nice coincidence.
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Old 02-28-2020, 09:02 AM
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Last night I was looking at the ratings and saw that the layouts weren't properly assigned to the divisions. Tournament Manager had the FPO division playing the MPO layout. "OMG, quick, fix that before anyone writes any stories about Paige shooting a 1021 in round one!" Got the TD to fix it ...... and the ratings stayed precisely the same. I've never seen it work out that nicely before.

The difference between the MPO and FPO layouts is about 100' each on 2 holes. The courses are very, very similar, so it makes sense that the ratings on the two layouts should be similar. But being precisely the same is a nice coincidence.
Lower rated female propagators taking slightly more OB penalties relative to their ratings can account for the difference in course length.
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Old 02-28-2020, 10:22 AM
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The problem is rating compression as the SSA increases which devalues each stroke. It's as easy to shoot a really high rated round as a really low rated round at Fountain, where it's as hard to shoot a really high rated round as a really low rated round at Idlewild.

56 Idlewild - 1071
38 Fountain - 1123

68 Idlewild - 997
50 Fountain - 1001

77 Idlewild - 948
59 Fountain - 910

88 Idlewild - 873
70 Fountain - 799
Fixed that for you. While your point is valid, ratings are not affected by par at all. And SSA is not the field average, it is supposed to be the average score of 1000-rated players.

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Old 02-28-2020, 11:23 AM
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I like the fact that theoretically acing every hole at Idlewild (6 points per stroke) would rate about 1300 and theoretically acing every hole at Fountain (10 points per stroke) would rate about 1320.

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Old 02-28-2020, 11:23 AM
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I think Paige likes her new putter. . 100% C1x and 60% C2 !! . . did any of the men even beat that stat?
1000 Rated Putting Confidence !! She was on FIRE !!!
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Old 02-28-2020, 11:25 AM
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I like the fact that theoretically acing every hole at Idlewild (6 points per stroke) would rate about 1300 and theoretically acing every hole at Fountain (10 points per stroke) would rate about 1320.
Seems like when Roger and I calculated the ratings for an Ace on a one hole course it came out to something like 2000 or perhaps an imaginary number as the other root.
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Old 02-28-2020, 01:10 PM
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Fixed that for you. While your point is valid, ratings are not affected by par at all. And SSA is not the field average, it is supposed to be the average score of 1000-rated players.
You didn't fix it. Par and SSA are arbitrary. SA of the field is real math.
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You didn't fix it. Par and SSA are arbitrary. SA of the field is real math.
Par (the way Steve calculates it) and SSA use the same data set or reference. SA can be precisely calculated but it stands alone and can't be related to other values, especially across tournaments and different courses.
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Par (the way Steve calculates it) and SSA use the same data set or reference. SA can be precisely calculated but it stands alone and can't be related to other values, especially across tournaments and different courses.
You have to do some mathematical gymnastics to compare SW par or SSA at Fountain to Idlewild.

Two completely different courses and skill sets required to shoot SSA, where the cheese should stand alone IMO.
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