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Old 11-27-2019, 05:43 PM
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Leverage

- power or ability to act effectively or to influence people.

- to exert power or influence on.



For all the time I have been around the game of disc golf, I have never thought any player would put themselves in a position of power over/equal to the disc manufacturers. I did not even believe that a players name on a disc moved the needle on on sales to a great degree.

I was wrong on both accounts.


The question I pose is which player/players do you believe have enough leverage to demand/command a certain level of sponsorship or they will simply go to another sponsor?

Not simply which players are worth the investment from the various sponsors, but which can dictate the negotiations to a high degree in their own personal interests.


I have come to the conclusion that only one has ever had this power and it is Paul McBeth.

PPierce is close, IMO, but not quite there yet. Her sales are hot right now, so we will see if she proves me wrong.

I was thinking maybe Ken Climo, but at that time in the game, I do not believe that there was enough money moving, awareness and participation compared to todays numbers. Add to that, the media exposure of present day and I think the disc companies during that time wanted him for sure, but I do not think he could walk into any manufacturer and say "I want X Y and Z or I am going to another manufacturer'" and have it hold any real weight.

I realize that many players can create an immediate spike in sales, many are loved and have loyal / longtime fans and many are household names in our small neighborhood....but to have leverage OVER the company who is sponsoring you is unheard of, IMO.

Paul McBeth is the only player to have that leverage in the history of our sport.

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Just kidding.....

Anyone have any others that they think hold this much power?


NOTE: Not a FanBoy' - James Conrad is who I pull for, VIRGINIA baby! I know....Paul lives in VA, but he is a California guy at his roots. Just find it interesting that the player/sponsor dichotomy has done a complete 180 in terms of at least one player.
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Old 11-27-2019, 05:53 PM
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Lloyd Weema. The man single-handedly changed the rules for the biggest competitions in the sport.

That's leverage.

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Old 11-27-2019, 05:59 PM
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Lloyd Weema. The man single-handedly changed the rules for the biggest competitions in the sport.

That's leverage.
Damn, forgot him! And I am the president of his fan club. Hope he does not read this thread.


Also, I think I made a horrible mistake in posting a thread that includes the names Paul McBeth and Ken Climo in close proximity--- posters, please do not drift this thread into a GOAT' debate. I will happily take BBQ and Pizza over that debate.

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Old 11-27-2019, 06:30 PM
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Hmmmm. Great question. What about maybe a guy like Seppo? He seems pretty important to Prodigy. Otherwise, I got nothing. Sexton? IDK why he'd walk away from the sexybird deal, but I'd imagine Innova wouldn't want him walking. But, they also let Paul go, so I don't think any Innova players are in this discussion.

So, my vote would be Seppo or Simon. Neither seem likely at all, but they might be able grasp some leverage.
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:45 PM
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I should add that there were far fewer disc manufacturers in the days of KC, so not as many companies to compete with for those disc golfer dollars. Therefore, a big time player may not hold as much value in the overall sales scheme. Plus, lack of social media relegated even the top players to a level of obscurity even low level pros now would shudder at.
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Shouldn't the player with the longest levers have the most leverage?

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Only the person or persons who combined have controlling interest in a business or person(s) who personally own the patent that's core to the business truly have controlling leverage. Paul and any others could negotiate a deal only up to their fair portion of the cost of goods or services sold as determined by the controlling business owners or their proxy director. That's why incentives related to future sales make the most sense to balance the potential income generating value of a top player with appropriate expense management for the company.

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Only the person or persons who combined have controlling interest in a business or person(s) who personally own the patent that's core to the business truly have controlling leverage. Paul and any others could negotiate a deal only up to their fair portion of the cost of goods or services sold as determined by the controlling business owners or their proxy director. That's why incentives related to future sales make the most sense to balance the potential income generating value of a top player with appropriate expense management for the company.
can you put this into words so the rest of us without an mba can understand

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If Eagle can get his mental game tightened up, maintain his social media presence and somehow manage to win Worlds or USDGC, he's young enough that I could see him having some leverage within the next few years.

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Only the person or persons who combined have controlling interest in a business or person(s) who personally own the patent that's core to the business truly have controlling leverage. Paul and any others could negotiate a deal only up to their fair portion of the cost of goods or services sold as determined by the controlling business owners or their proxy director. That's why incentives related to future sales make the most sense to balance the potential income generating value of a top player with appropriate expense management for the company.
Agreed to a point - I think.

I believe you are referring to an extreme place on the spectrum of business. Or put more simply, you are pointing out that the maker of the hammer can ultimately take away the hammer from the great carpenters if they wish.

IF my understanding of your highbrow words is correct, then I think your point is valid, but not option ending for the player. As the patent (Hammer) is shared among many companies, ONE of the companies taking it away does not stop the player (Carpenter) from just going to another company.
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