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View Poll Results: Which of these best describes Hole 18 at the Utah Open?
A par 2 where 38% of throws are errors, and 1% of throws are hero throws. 6 25.00%
A par 3 where 24% of throws are errors, and 33% of throws are hero throws. 16 66.67%
A par 4 where 16% of throws are hero throws, and 23% are double heroes. 1 4.17%
A par 5 where 37% of throws are hero throws, and 21% are double heroes. 0 0%
A par 6 where 16% of throws are hero throws, and 62% are double heroes. 1 4.17%
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I'm saying it would be an improvement if hole pars were updated as needed (likely less "padding") so they add up closer to the total course SSAs once determined, even though SSAs on open courses can vary up to 6 shots based on weather.
The difference between a hole's par and its SSA is important information. For example, we might say there was 6 throws worth of wind. Stop trying to conflate them.

It would not be an improvement - to either par or SSA, and it would not make TDs any more inclined to set par accurately.
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Well, we needed another definition of "par". Lord knows, we don't have enough of them.
We have one. That's exactly enough.

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We have one. That's exactly enough.
Now if we could only get you to follow it . . .
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We have one. That's exactly enough.
Alas, if that were only true...

One official definition, but too many others in use.
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Old 02-28-2020, 01:08 PM
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Now if we could only get you to follow it . . .
I always do. Par is whatever the TD says it is.

(That doesn't mean I can't try to get them to set it differently next time.)

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New format. It shows the other scores. Maybe shows the uncertainty of small sample sizes better. The actual pars are outlined in black.

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2020 DGPT - Waco Annual Charity Open presented by Prodigy Disc Brazos Park East Championship Layout MPO; 18 holes; Par 64; 7990 ft

The horizontal black line is the minimum cutoff for standard par. So, the chart indicates holes #7, #13, #15, and #16 should be par 3 instead of par 4, and hole #14 is on the verge of being a par 2.
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