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Old 07-31-2020, 10:19 AM
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For those of you who asked to see the video, here it is:

https://www.wevideo.com/view/1781442838

Once again, thanks for your comments. I really have been reading through them all and trying to absorb their knowledge and advice, so thanks again.
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Old 07-31-2020, 10:35 AM
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For those of you who asked to see the video, here it is:

https://www.wevideo.com/view/1781442838

Once again, thanks for your comments. I really have been reading through them all and trying to absorb their knowledge and advice, so thanks again.
Your discs are going way too high. That's your first and main problem. For your arm strength, focus on releasing your discs so thst they never get more than about 8-10 off the ground at its height apex. The next thing is you are too straight up from your core upwards. This is causing you to anhyzer your release. Try bending at your mid section and get over the disc somewhat. I think those two things corrected and you should easily get 250-270 feet consistantly.

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Old 07-31-2020, 10:43 AM
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BTW, I had my longest throw last night off a tee that went 330ish feet and it never got more than 8-9 feet off the ground.
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Old 07-31-2020, 11:43 AM
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It took me several rounds at the field throwing my fastest discs as hard as I could to get to a new level with distance with all my discs. I think it holds true throwing any kind of disc if you don't have the right form it won't go far. Throwing faster discs helped me to adjust to the needed velocity at release to throw them right. I worked on getting that snap later and quicker. When I went back to the slower discs they turned into rollers and so now I'm learning to hyzer flip them. I flat out can't throw putters far because they feel awkward in my hand and so I use a traditional frisbee fan grip with pointer finger on the rim. I can still throw it around 200 feet but I'm not going to be throwing discs like that generally. With my 5-6 speed midrange discs it's hard to throw them far as I haven't quite mastered the release angle. Im really most comfortable with My speed 7 River as my main driver for shots up to about 275 feet. Anything around 300 and over I use the distance drivers because they go laser straight and are easy to control down long narrow fairways. I'm a big fan for trying to throw hard and using higher speed discs to push you to increase snap and velocity.
I don’t intend for this to be rude but it sounds like you followed the classic beginners route to bad form. You shouldn’t need to throw slower discs on a hyzer angle to get them flying straight. Drivers mask the form flaws that putters and mids expose. Your follow up advice on this thread has been good but you may want to iron out the issues that are having with slower discs before you go any further with drivers.
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Old 07-31-2020, 12:44 PM
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I don’t intend for this to be rude but it sounds like you followed the classic beginners route to bad form. You shouldn’t need to throw slower discs on a hyzer angle to get them flying straight. Drivers mask the form flaws that putters and mids expose. Your follow up advice on this thread has been good but you may want to iron out the issues that are having with slower discs before you go any further with drivers.
I kind of did that when I first started throwing RHBH. I went out and bought fast discs and was all arming them mostly and then I just played too much without giving my body a chance to recover (I'm 47) which led to an overuse strain in my forearm. Took a week off and decided to learn left handed from scratch. Read a billion threads, watched videos, bought new discs, etc. My main problem or difference throwing LHBH is my grip. I'm only comfortable with a two or three finger grip and I think it imparts quite a bit of spin on the disc and I have a hard time with the hyzer angle at release to get them so they don't flip over. A lot of my discs are lighter too which doesn't help. When I was first learning it was great. Now, a month later, a lot of those slower discs like my leopard and Diamond just flip over so fast it's almost impossible to throw far. I definitely need to learn how to hyzer flip them better or get different or heavier discs.

Overall I think my form is pretty good for how long I've been throwing.
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Old 07-31-2020, 01:33 PM
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I did notice my balance causing me to constantly throw anheizers, and thankfully someone a moment ago pointed out that my grip had no pressure on the top of the disc, which should help with both the release angle and keeping the disc nose-down. The balance part I'll have to work on as well.

Just found this video, and it pointed out two more things I was doing wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ9tEo9MYKI

One, I just thought about bringing the disc straight across my chest, I didn't think about pulling it into my chest before the throw itself; and two, I feel like I'm putting too much effort into reaching back, instead of just focusing on having the disc on a straight line to the target behind me, I'm just reaching along that line as far back as possible, and it has my body so far turned around that in order to get my shoulders in the right place, I have to turn my body almost 180-degrees.

I've been trying to focus on the "perfectly straight pull" aspect of throwing, trying to learn it the way people say such as "pulling it like a lawn-mower cord" or something like that, but that actually has caused pretty bad tension in my rotator cuff, so I'm keeping myself inside for the time-being to not injure myself any more.
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Old 07-31-2020, 01:44 PM
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I did notice my balance causing me to constantly throw anheizers, and thankfully someone a moment ago pointed out that my grip had no pressure on the top of the disc, which should help with both the release angle and keeping the disc nose-down. The balance part I'll have to work on as well.

Just found this video, and it pointed out two more things I was doing wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ9tEo9MYKI

One, I just thought about bringing the disc straight across my chest, I didn't think about pulling it into my chest before the throw itself; and two, I feel like I'm putting too much effort into reaching back, instead of just focusing on having the disc on a straight line to the target behind me, I'm just reaching along that line as far back as possible, and it has my body so far turned around that in order to get my shoulders in the right place, I have to turn my body almost 180-degrees.

I've been trying to focus on the "perfectly straight pull" aspect of throwing, trying to learn it the way people say such as "pulling it like a lawn-mower cord" or something like that, but that actually has caused pretty bad tension in my rotator cuff, so I'm keeping myself inside for the time-being to not injure myself any more.
Just one note, it's not a straight through pull. Watch Paul Mcbeth and especially the motion the disc makes from reach back into release. It makes a zigzag line where it starts away, comes in near to the body then comes back out making a faint "v" shape.
https://youtu.be/wBackZwvejE

Understanding this helped ease tension on my shoulder and added about 40 feet instantly to my drive.

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Old 07-31-2020, 02:07 PM
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I kind of did that when I first started throwing RHBH. I went out and bought fast discs and was all arming them mostly and then I just played too much without giving my body a chance to recover (I'm 47) which led to an overuse strain in my forearm. Took a week off and decided to learn left handed from scratch. Read a billion threads, watched videos, bought new discs, etc. My main problem or difference throwing LHBH is my grip. I'm only comfortable with a two or three finger grip and I think it imparts quite a bit of spin on the disc and I have a hard time with the hyzer angle at release to get them so they don't flip over. A lot of my discs are lighter too which doesn't help. When I was first learning it was great. Now, a month later, a lot of those slower discs like my leopard and Diamond just flip over so fast it's almost impossible to throw far. I definitely need to learn how to hyzer flip them better or get different or heavier discs.

Overall I think my form is pretty good for how long I've been throwing.
Again I point to things like the starter pack challenge where pros with 500+ foot power are throwing slow 140-150g discs around 400 feet.

You may be imparting OAT or doing something to make those discs fly flippier than they should. Yes they are flippy discs but a starter pack Leopard should still be able to fly close to your current average distance.
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Old 07-31-2020, 02:16 PM
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I did notice my balance causing me to constantly throw anheizers, and thankfully someone a moment ago pointed out that my grip had no pressure on the top of the disc, which should help with both the release angle and keeping the disc nose-down. The balance part I'll have to work on as well.

Just found this video, and it pointed out two more things I was doing wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ9tEo9MYKI

One, I just thought about bringing the disc straight across my chest, I didn't think about pulling it into my chest before the throw itself; and two, I feel like I'm putting too much effort into reaching back, instead of just focusing on having the disc on a straight line to the target behind me, I'm just reaching along that line as far back as possible, and it has my body so far turned around that in order to get my shoulders in the right place, I have to turn my body almost 180-degrees.

I've been trying to focus on the "perfectly straight pull" aspect of throwing, trying to learn it the way people say such as "pulling it like a lawn-mower cord" or something like that, but that actually has caused pretty bad tension in my rotator cuff, so I'm keeping myself inside for the time-being to not injure myself any more.
Go check out the various videos in the form improvement threads. Then watch them again. Things like "reciprocating dingle arm" and "windmill drill" should help with getting the feeling of more effortless throwing so you aren't injuring yourself. Use gravity and other "free" sources of momentum to your advantage. No need to feel like you are throwing so hard in order to get results.
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Old 07-31-2020, 04:01 PM
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Again I point to things like the starter pack challenge where pros with 500+ foot power are throwing slow 140-150g discs around 400 feet.

You may be imparting OAT or doing something to make those discs fly flippier than they should. Yes they are flippy discs but a starter pack Leopard should still be able to fly close to your current average distance.
Yeah, if you put enough hyzer angle on em. That's my problem right now is I am struggling to get the hyzer angle on them. My release is more flat and so they just flip over.
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