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Good video.
Last part is interesting, where he talks about pro baseball players and how they talk about swinging with their hands.

The same goes for ball golfers, and in disc golf pros talk the same way about the elbow instead. When you fall, brace, shift, resist and release the throw (on auto, as a kinetic sequence) the only sensation left is the leading curl of the whip. That curl being the elbow for us. Hold on to a club or a bat and that curl is moved out towards the hands.
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Old 05-06-2021, 03:16 PM
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I do a lot of putting coaching without players having a disc in hand for this very reason. I want them to see what small motions in their lower body can do to their hand and how someone like Heimburg can create such force on the disc with seemingly little effort. Soon as the disc goes in the hand everyone tries to do what they know.

It's also why I like starting them at the basket and isolating motions that allow them to generate enough power and then going back and adding more. Take the stupid out of the equation. Don't let our dumb brains get in the way!
The funny part is I only feel like it really clicked this way once I stepped back to 60 feet and figured out to have a putt powerful enough not to lunge forward. Practicing from 20-30 feet never got me there because I have plenty of power in my arm at that range. Inconsistent power, but enough power.

Once I started looking at it from this new perspective, my "jump" putts look a lot more like McBeth. It's just adding enough power to hop your entire body forward a foot or so, rather than the dramatic full-body lunge that you see from many people.

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You throw a lot of glasses of water into Japanese Girls faces? What kind of monster are you

Besides disc golf, that is my only other hobby

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Old 05-06-2021, 07:53 PM
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The water cup motion reminds me of Cam Todd. Watch him throw the water into the basket.


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Old 05-07-2021, 08:23 AM
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The funny part is I only feel like it really clicked this way once I stepped back to 60 feet and figured out to have a putt powerful enough not to lunge forward. Practicing from 20-30 feet never got me there because I have plenty of power in my arm at that range. Inconsistent power, but enough power.

Once I started looking at it from this new perspective, my "jump" putts look a lot more like McBeth. It's just adding enough power to hop your entire body forward a foot or so, rather than the dramatic full-body lunge that you see from many people.
Yup. I try to get people to try all sorts of different putting strokes so they can feel how the weight shift works in each but I encourage them towards a down/up weightshift(McBeth/Cam Todd style as it is so efficient and repeatable and doesn't require perfectly flat ground to execute the same each time.

Backwards and forwards weightshifts open up far more potential things to go wrong. Down/up also transfers directly into straddle putts giving you the same action for both.

That little down up and pop forward a foot jump putt is so easy on the body and so efficient at generating power at distance and it is exactly the same with just a little less down/up as the same putt at 30' or 15'.

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Yup. I try to get people to try all sorts of different putting strokes so they can feel how the weight shift works in each but I encourage them towards a down/up weightshift(McBeth/Cam Todd style as it is so efficient and repeatable and doesn't require perfectly flat ground to execute the same each time.

Backwards and forwards weightshifts open up far more potential things to go wrong. Down/up also transfers directly into straddle putts giving you the same action for both.

That little down up and pop forward a foot jump putt is so easy on the body and so efficient at generating power at distance and it is exactly the same with just a little less down/up as the same putt at 30' or 15'.
Since really starting last year I've been using a staggered stance, in a bring to left hip and forward motion. I've struggled with any meaningful accurate distance on the putt at 25' out, without compensating with spin. And if I didn't put the extra spin it would have a gross hyzer like angle and fade aggressively by the time it reached the basket. Arm never felt comfortable, and I don't think the Eagle philosophy of practice with 15' putts were helping here because not much is required for 15. Which is why the thread contents caught my attention.

I brought out the basket yesterday, started with a staggered stance with this thread in mind and unfortunately still had trouble putting it together. But then I though about your post, and recalling some of my better ranged putts on the course came from a straddled position. I never really practiced straddle aside from getting out from behind objects during practice, but when I plopped myself out at 30' I didn't find I was struggling making the distance on a line reliably. Sure my accuracy wasn't good, but it was more of a I just need to dial this in sort of deal.

The up/down with the body and the arm felt more connected when straddled. There are some serious issues in my staggered stance. I caught someone on the board talking about "under and over" in regards to putting (I believe RandyC), as in try to get your putt under a close obstacle and over a far obstacle, so maybe that mentality will help my staggered stance. It seems to be reflective of what I was doing in a straddle stance.
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Old 05-08-2021, 10:00 PM
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Backwards and forwards weightshifts open up far more potential things to go wrong. Down/up also transfers directly into straddle putts giving you the same action for both.
I've thought even with the backwards and forward shift, the power is probably coming from the hip hinge anyway, and that's mostly vertical. Examples would be Single Leg Dead Lift for staggered, or maybe kettle bell swings for straddle?
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Took this gif from a round Bradley shot at Roy G here in Austin. Basically the exact same putt as Mcbeast.

What’s interesting is he does that slight bend outward with the front knee. I heard Climo say he did that to keep the disc on line. Is that really all it is or is there some more lower body mechanics going on. It almost looks like crushing the can...


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Took this gif from a round Bradley shot at Roy G here in Austin. Basically the exact same putt as Mcbeast.

What’s interesting is he does that slight bend outward with the front knee. I heard Climo say he did that to keep the disc on line. Is that really all it is or is there some more lower body mechanics going on. It almost looks like crushing the can...

Maybe an inverted version of crush the can rolling inward. I think it does add more torque and my knee seems to hate practicing it, but I do seem to make more putts and have more power.

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What’s interesting is he does that slight bend outward with the front knee. I heard Climo say he did that to keep the disc on line. Is that really all it is or is there some more lower body mechanics going on. It almost looks like crushing the can...
There are two separate actions going on here: as he rises (kind of a standard standing up movement, the posterior chain engaging), his disc gets on line -- what Climo calls "painting the pole." He then gets to a point where a lateral shift happens -- note that he finishes with his pelvis 90 degrees to the basket. That's where the forward drive comes from. The knee bend engages the glute medius to brace for this shift, and translates the momentum into the upper body.



I'm still figuring out the biomechanics of the kick the can drill, but to the extent that it engages the glute med for the brace, I think it serves the same function.

I really think there is a "putting power pocket." For me, it is right below my belly button, at my center of gravity. I get the disc moving vertically in line with the pole and shift towards the basket when it hits the pocket. When it's working right, the arm is just a conduit for the energy from the legs to the disc.

Somehow Heimburg just does this with a sagittal shift instead of a lateral one.

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