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I think that's part of the problem, when you get a disc of poor quality what do you do? I think most people get their discs from retailer's and not the manufacturer so when that does occur, should it be the retailer that deals with it or the manufacturer? I've reached out a few times and the first response was always, send pictures so we can judge if it's bad or not. To me that's already an issue because it's all subjective, depending on who looks at the picture it may be ok while to someone else it may not be. This just happened to me with a disc I bought from the dynamic discs site. As soon as I picked it up something felt off, there was a decent amount of material missing over half the rim where they appeared to miss when cleaning up the flashing. They agreed to accept it as a return but also at the same time said they don't know if it would affect the flight of the disc. Well any disc that has hit something and took a chunk out of the rim has flown differently afterwards so I would say yeah. And it's a hassle to send a disc back, and today it's unlikely you will be able to get it replaced as there is no supply.

So for me I would consider myself a 3; a bit of both. I don't expect every single disc to fly exactly the same and if a disc I just bought has scratches on it I really don't care. But if it's something obvious or one disc of the same mold is understable out of the box and the other is overstable out of the box, that I would care about.

For example I've bought 3 Teebird's in the last month, all GStar, all orange. One of them is actually Star plastic but stamped Gstar, and the other two are GStar but both have a pretty good sized tooling mark in the rim. And I'm stuck with them because there are no more available, I've waited months for them to become available and really none of them should have made it to a retailer to sell due to quality issues. This is just sloppy manufacturing; it took 30 seconds of holding the discs to know something was off. Am I being too picky, I don't think so. I mean we are paying $15+ for a simple piece of plastic, it isn't multiple parts fitting/working together, it's a singular molded part and they've made it for decades now. Every other industry sees quality improve year after year, there are less defects with basically everything today, even imported parts have outstanding quality these days at very low costs. And if there is an issue with something today; companies seem very willing to make it right in order to maintain their reputation.
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Old 06-15-2021, 06:21 PM
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I'm with jakebake; there is no reason they can't produce a better product other than they don't want to or don't care to. My picture of the innova factory in my head is comical, unfortunately if we were to see actual pics it probably wouldn't be too far off.

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Old 06-15-2021, 06:28 PM
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Where are you buying your discs?

If it is a retailer, they should be resolving these issues and not sending you obviously poor quality products IMO.
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Old 06-15-2021, 07:29 PM
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Online retailer's. So you think the retailer should be responsible for checking for quality issues? I think it should be the manufacturer, and I'm pretty confident that is the standard in any manufacturing industry. If parts of poor quality made it to the retailer/consumer it's already too late. The manufacturer just added a ton of additional costs in shipping/packaging and whatever costs required to get their bad products back. Retailer's should be confident that what they're getting from their suppliers is ready to sell; pretty sure target isn't inspecting every piece of clothing they get from their probably millions of suppliers, there is no way they could even.

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Online retailer's. So you think the retailer should be responsible for checking for quality issues? I think it should be the manufacturer, and I'm pretty confident that is the standard in any manufacturing industry. If parts of poor quality made it to the retailer/consumer it's already too late. The manufacturer just added a ton of additional costs in shipping/packaging and whatever costs required to get their bad products back. Retailer's should be confident that what they're getting from their suppliers is ready to sell; pretty sure target isn't inspecting every piece of clothing they get from their probably millions of suppliers, there is no way they could even.
Big suppliers just do recalls. See Takata.

Every industry has quality problems. You just don't see it unless you're a part of the community that really uses the product, aka DGCR.
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Old 06-15-2021, 08:27 PM
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Online retailer's. So you think the retailer should be responsible for checking for quality issues? I think it should be the manufacturer, and I'm pretty confident that is the standard in any manufacturing industry. If parts of poor quality made it to the retailer/consumer it's already too late. The manufacturer just added a ton of additional costs in shipping/packaging and whatever costs required to get their bad products back. Retailer's should be confident that what they're getting from their suppliers is ready to sell; pretty sure target isn't inspecting every piece of clothing they get from their probably millions of suppliers, there is no way they could even.
Im saying that that OTB and Marshall Street look at the discs and they identify flaws and sell based on that. They might overlook some minor detail that you notice, but they make an effort to deliver what you order.

I agree that the manufacturers need to do a better job of delivering quality products to the retailers.

At the same time, Im surprised that your retailer is sending out products that are flawed. They handle each disc individually and any significant flaws should be noticeable to them.

Basically both the manufacturer and the retailer are responsible if you receive flawed product.
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Old 06-15-2021, 11:04 PM
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I don’t know what each manufacturer does, but the process described for Lat64 manufacturing in this video doesn’t seem like a process where they aren’t concerned about consistency and quality:



Maybe I’m being unnecessarily impressed by big shiny machines, IDK. Do people think Lat64 products are more consistent than other manufacturers? The same? Are people mostly just complaining about Innova (who has a certain reputation in this regard)?

The other thing I think worth mentioning is how much the disc golf consumer is actually looking for “inconsistency”. There is a consistent push for a specific mold to be produced in a plastic that will provide different properties to the disc than other properties. Whether it’s stiffness, wear characteristics, stability, grip, sparkliness, swirliness, etc. there is always a demand for something a little bit different.

Discraft seems to now be producing Tour Series discs in a different, custom, tour series blend each year (AFAIU). Why? I would think it’s because that means each year of a given tour series disc is different, rather than being just stamped with a different stamp. There is then reason to buy this year's model.

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i'm not pointing the finger at anyone but i've tended to think that at least some of the people who have big issues with disc consistency are also people who have evolving form and don't get a lot of practice in, resulting in a lot of ups and downs in their round to round execution.

how many of these flaws are simply cosmetic? i'm guessing probably most of them.

if you buy a disc from an online retailer and the disc looks like it should be an x-out, seems like the thing to do is contact the retailer and say "you sent me what appears to be an x-out, i didn't pay full price just to get an x-out". i'm not convince there is an issue but if there really is one, it's not going to change without pressure on the manufacturers from the retailers.

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Shrug...I have never had a disc show up with production issues. And I have bought a lot of discs over the years.

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^^Not too concerned with the cosmetic issues either, but variations in parting line height absolutely affect flight. That's something that manufacturers could control (if they thought disc golfers would be willing to pay for it).
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