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Harp 102 35.92%
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Old 07-03-2017, 10:04 PM
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The BT Hard Harps I have been throwing are NOT in the same category as my Z Zones. But they can fill the same role, with a few differences.

Zones are more OS and skippier, I am learning. Than baseline Harps anyway. Do think I could really see carrying both, but I am stubborn about limiting molds.
My Tournament Plastic Harp sounds a lot like your description of Zones. My TP Harp is very OS, curves well around trees, and skips more. My BT Hard Harps are not quite as OS, don't skip as much. And when they season in (and more quickly than the TP Harp will), they'll not be so OS but will still be a great wind-fighter.

I could see myself bagging both a TP Harp and a seasoned-in BT Hard Harp; ergo, I can see someone bagging both a Zone and a seasoned-in Harp...
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:34 PM
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My Tournament Plastic Harp sounds a lot like your description of Zones. My TP Harp is very OS, curves well around trees, and skips more. My BT Hard Harps are not quite as OS, don't skip as much. And when they season in (and more quickly than the TP Harp will), they'll not be so OS but will still be a great wind-fighter.

I could see myself bagging both a TP Harp and a seasoned-in BT Hard Harp; ergo, I can see someone bagging both a Zone and a seasoned-in Harp...
I can SEE people doing all kinds of unnecessary things and carrying more discs and molds than they need. Usually to the detriment of their games. Two Harps or two Zones makes way more sense.

I've carried two Zones a lot. But I really like baseline plastics for my putters and mids (except a Champ Rancho Roc at the top end). And I feel like you can make EITHER the Zone or the Harp cover the same types of shots.

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Old 07-05-2017, 05:37 PM
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I can SEE people doing all kinds of unnecessary things and carrying more discs and molds than they need. Usually to the detriment of their games. Two Harps or two Zones makes way more sense.

I've carried two Zones a lot. But I really like baseline plastics for my putters and mids (except a Champ Rancho Roc at the top end). And I feel like you can make EITHER the Zone or the Harp cover the same types of shots.

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I hear ya. But it comes down to the individual player's choice, and whatever works and is more fun for them...

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Old 07-05-2017, 05:44 PM
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I went with the Jokeri because it has better glide, but unfortunately, they are also a little harder to find in stores.
Another good choice, I like choices. In relation to the OP - Harp is a little deeper, with less LSS than Zone, but still a good tool for what it does and perhaps a better putter if it comes to that. Zone is the short range OS anything tool that set the bar but also itself is no longer the most OS for its speed.

FWIW, if I was economizing, I'd take the Zone, but since I don't have to worry about that, I like the A1 and Envy combo. A1 is beef. Thrown flat it will not only fade left, but turn down. On a good rip, it lands like a lawn dart more than a disc. To get it to skip, I need to flip it over so it lands flat while fading.
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:12 AM
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Love my Jawbreaker Zone, can make it do a ton of shots!
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Old 07-06-2017, 01:58 PM
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I flicked a friend's super floppy soft harp, along with the star-equivalent the other day. I noticed that when comparing the harp to the zone physically, the things that jump out are the addition of a bead, the concave lower wing, and the slightly deeper and more narrow wing.

I was not a big fan of flicking the floppy harp, but I have to admit that it did do its job- hit and stick, like within a cm or two of where it landed. The star equivalent (tournament plastic?) I preferred.

I think the magic of the zone for me is almost 100% the shape - and it's so simple. Wide, shallow putter rim, probably 3 to 3.5 speed, perfectly straight lower wing, blunt shoulder, and unbeaded. Absolutely perfect for short FH shots.

Nothing wrong with the harp, but it just seems less special/specialized.

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Old 07-06-2017, 02:18 PM
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I feel like the premium Harp is identical to Zones. It's just that so many people throw baseline Harps, and Z/ESP Zones that they are quite different (Harp straighter, less skip). If you compare Jawbreaker Zone with base Harps, or Z/ESP Zones to TP/VIP Harps then it's the same flight IME. Maybe slight variations, but we're talking speed 3 OS discs...not going to be that different!

So really it's mostly a feel/shape thing. I prefer the feel of the Zone slightly but I could substitute a Harp and not complain at all.

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Old 11-09-2018, 12:54 PM
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Blast from the past - what do you guys think of a BT Harp vs a JB Zone?

Thinking of tossing a combo of premium plus baseline in the bag and allowing the baseline to season into a stable shooter - think either TP Harp + BT or ESP Zone + JB...

Are BT Harps a little longer than JB Zones when seasoned a bit and given some height to glide out? Or is the opposite the case?
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I Have used both of these a lot back and forth over the years. Consensus: Zones are more HSS and LSS and are a little flatter and feel better for a Forehand (for me) - Premium Plastics are nice and readily available - ::: Harps have better baseline plastic options, they seem to be better for backhand throws because they have a touch more glide and not as hard of a fade so they can be thrown on straight lines with a solid fade without having to flex them.

Overall BOTH are good. Sometimes I will carry One of Each, sometimes just 1 - lately I've been using a Z Zone and I really like it because its just So OS that I can trust it - I am not great at Forehands so the only time I use it is an extreme situation
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