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Old 11-28-2017, 09:09 PM
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I had really good form during fieldwork yesterday and got a really great look at how my fairway plastic flies. Kind of an off season tryout.

So, the new stable line up is 11x Teebird for headwind stable/slightly overstable, rightly seasoned pinnacle FR "Wings" Rival for workhorse 300-350' stable straight, and silver legend Rival for point and shoot without fade to 300'. I'm pulling my beat 11x KCP as it now has about the same HSS as my silver Legend Rival but the Rival glides another 20-30' further on the same lines, no brainer really.

The Rival is such a great mold in pinnacle and legend in my experience and the plastic is sexy pearly.
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Old 12-01-2017, 01:52 AM
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Does anyone know where I can find some rivals in excel plastic? I'd like to give one a try to compare to my pinnacles.
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Old 12-01-2017, 04:39 PM
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Never seen one. They make patriots but they are like DX Teebirds. I used them to replace trashed pro Leopards, but I have to cycle them.

It would be a completely different flight though. Not comparable only complementary if you want the same feel disc but completely different flight.

I dont see it listed in Excel on their website nor do I see it on their order forms. Pretty much Ghosts and patriots in Excel plastic.
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Old 12-01-2017, 05:00 PM
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Excel Rivals were in the starter pack, but I'm not sure they ever ran them in heavier weights.

Excel Patriots are wonderful too.

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Old 12-01-2017, 08:38 PM
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Excel Rivals were in the starter pack, but I'm not sure they ever ran them in heavier weights.

Excel Patriots are wonderful too.
Thanks for the info. I saw DGC had excel rivals at one point, but are sold out. Can't seem to find any info anywhere else. I recently bagged a pinnacle patriot, and don't know how I feel about it yet. It's longer and more stable than I expected. I'm going to assume the excels show a little bit more turn than the pinnacles?
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:07 PM
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Thanks for the info. I saw DGC had excel rivals at one point, but are sold out. Can't seem to find any info anywhere else. I recently bagged a pinnacle patriot, and don't know how I feel about it yet. It's longer and more stable than I expected. I'm going to assume the excels show a little bit more turn than the pinnacles?
In my limited experience with Excel Pats (all pink and all ~169g), they start with a similar stability as Pinnacle and Icon (I preferred Icon outside of the very limited gummy Ivory FR Pinnacles) but season after only a few tree hits. Pats for me (noodle arm) were more TL than Leopard, and it took over 300' for them to show true turn (for me). With Excels, the first few throws were the same. Then I hit a tree.

If you're looking for a Patriot that's easily turned, try an Excel and throw it as hard as you can into a brick wall once. If it doesn't flip enough, do it one more time. As 1978 said, they're cyclers. They're faster (premium plastic) Leopards with a similar glide. With an Ivory FR Pinnacle (if you've thrown one you'll understand), a fresh-sweet spot Icon, and an Excel I could see someone having one hell of a fairway cycler.

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Old 12-01-2017, 11:42 PM
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Thanks for the info. I saw DGC had excel rivals at one point, but are sold out. Can't seem to find any info anywhere else. I recently bagged a pinnacle patriot, and don't know how I feel about it yet. It's longer and more stable than I expected. I'm going to assume the excels show a little bit more turn than the pinnacles?
It sounds like you like the feel of the Rival in hand and are searching for a less stable complement. I bag Patriots in the winter after I pull my CE JLSs and CE blend QJLSs for fear of them shattering on brick hard frozen trees. I love my legend Patriots for hyzer flips to stable and the more seasoned one for slow rolling turnovers. I've also got a Icon Patriot that will go another 20' further but has a wiggle/s-turn in its 350' at less than 15' high line.

I recently picked up a Legacy Phenom and think it might be in the excel rival stability range you were inquiring about. Its got more turn than the Patriot and if I recall correctly was reported to be "a longer Patriot" aka less stable. Anyway, if you like Legacy Plastics as much as I do and want more in your bag, the Legacy Mongoose will for sure turnover like a Roadrunner/Escape/Hatchet/Underworld/TD2 in similar plastics.
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:48 AM
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It sounds like you like the feel of the Rival in hand and are searching for a less stable complement.
I've been a teebird guy basically forever, and typically carry a few at a time. I just switched over to pinnacle rivals and am loving them, I just don't have one beat up like my older star teebirds. The patriot is also very straight for me, and doesn't really turn much yet, so I thought an excel rival might season in faster, similar to a Dx bird. For reference, I'm mid 30's and max out fairways about 350 on a good flat pull, and prefer throwing long glidey slight turnovers, vice big hyzers if possible. I'm probably gonna give an excel patriot a try soon, since they seem readily available. I appreciate the replies. Loving Legacy plastic so far.

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Old 12-02-2017, 09:14 AM
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350' with fairways is plenty far for a Patriot to turn. Perhaps your pinnacle Patriot is just newish and I'd expect it to season into a sweet spot before too long, but I'd be looking for slight flip to straight with no fade more than the rolling turnover without fade that a DX TB will soon become in the woods. Spend a little time with a Icon Patriot and it will turn and be longer than your TBs and Rivals.
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I've been a teebird guy basically forever, and typically carry a few at a time. I just switched over to pinnacle rivals and am loving them, I just don't have one beat up like my older star teebirds. The patriot is also very straight for me, and doesn't really turn much yet, so I thought an excel rival might season in faster, similar to a Dx bird. For reference, I'm mid 30's and max out fairways about 350 on a good flat pull, and prefer throwing long glidey slight turnovers, vice big hyzers if possible. I'm probably gonna give an excel patriot a try soon, since they seem readily available. I appreciate the replies. Loving Legacy plastic so far.
Why not keep that star teebird in until something else seasons to that point?
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