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Old 10-07-2019, 01:56 PM
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Hey dudes, here comes another steaming one down the pike -

I tossed a Star Rhyno in the bag for my last round to sort of complement my Mortar - the mortar is fast and relatively mellow and glidey for an OS mid (highly recommend run 1.5), and the Rhyno is the opposite - slow as anything, low glide, OS putter flight.

The Rhyno to me is confidence incarnate. Something about the feel of the thumbtrac and big bead in my hand gives me the distinct feeling of "what could possibly go wrong here?"

I think I am going to roll with this config for now, over bagging just Zones or comboing the Mortar with another slow OS option like an AX3.

The question then becomes - I lean on the Proxy quite a bit lately, and occasionally I want the extra control of something between a Rhyno drive and a Proxy drive. So, do I go with an OS Proxy i.e. an Envy? Or a less OS Rhyno i.e. a beat up DX Rhyno?

In the same vein, in general if a chunk of your bag consists of a stable disc and a less stable disc of different molds, how do you try to fill that gap? With something similar to the more stable or less stable option - like picking up a domey champ sidewinder to fill the gap, or beating in a pro thunderbird for example?


Assume you donate all your discs and start fresh with 10/10 plastic off the shelf - the discs you rely on the most will start to shed stability first and quickest. They will likely outpace and overtake the discs in the stability slots below them, and boot them out, assuming you prefer a well-worn familiar disc over a fresh one that flies the same lines. If you lose your well-worn go-to disc, no big deal, just put that fresh disc that it initially booted back in the back until you naturally wear in another of your favored disc mold.

I would suppose if the above holds true, it's probably best to fill gaps with a less-stable version of your OS mold because as the gap filler transitions in and out of the bag, it would be less jarring because it's replacing or being replaced by a similar but more worn disc.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:15 PM
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I love the Proxy also; it's currently my neutral putter.

For me, the less OS/beat Rhyno is the way to go for the slot you described. DX takes surprisingly long to get to that point and lasts for a long time. The DX Rhyno in my bag has a great level of beatness and is absolutely several years old. It makes a phenomenal approach disc.

To answer one of your other questions, I'm generally a stages-of-wear kind of guy.

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Old 10-07-2019, 02:28 PM
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I love the Proxy also; it's currently my neutral putter.

For me, the less OS/beat Rhyno is the way to go for the slot you described. DX takes surprisingly long to get to that point and lasts for a long time. The DX Rhyno in my bag has a great level of beatness and is absolutely several years old. It makes a phenomenal approach disc.

To answer one of your other questions, I'm generally a stages-of-wear kind of guy.
DX Rhynos are awesome. TBH I really like DX, and I can't think of a better application than in an already beefy putter mold with a big bead. Lots of life in them. I like them for backhand exclusively though, only premium rhynos for FH personally.

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Old 10-07-2019, 02:57 PM
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I'd bag an Envy if I were you. An Envy feels identical in the hand to a Proxy to me. If you blindfold yourself, I bet you can't tell which is which. So if you're looking to add a disc that likely won't be thrown much, you probably want one that is going to feel familiar but just with a little more teeth. I wouldn't look to pick up a completely foreign mold (like AX3) to fill a tweener slot, especially since you don't think you'll throw it much.

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...The question then becomes - I lean on the Proxy quite a bit lately, and occasionally I want the extra control of something between a Rhyno drive and a Proxy drive. So, do I go with an OS Proxy i.e. an Envy? Or a less OS Rhyno i.e. a beat up DX Rhyno?
I love the Envy, I actually used to throw them quite a bit.
You and I sound real similar the way you describe the feel of a Rhyno^^^
Envies (Envys?) have too much glide to replicate that confidence that the Rhyno gives me. It is MUCH easier to blow past your intended target with an Envy and they aren't nearly as well behaved on those tricky/precarious greens.

So lots of love for the Envy, but not for the slot you described.

EDIT: I've been working on my FH shot and am only now getting comfortable with it. DX Rhyno FH shots are more realistic for me now than they used to be. They are still very short and definitely under 250'. Maybe under 200'. But that's a huge improvement from before. If I need more distance than that, I'm probably discing up to a mid. But yeah, I agree with you... DX is awesome

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Old 10-07-2019, 08:40 PM
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I've found that Rhynos and Envies/Proxies are pretty different discs despite all having seriously tenacious stability. The glide is where I've noticed it, and it sounds like you have too. If you want a Rhyno with less overstability than DX, I've found the Factory Store Stiff (R-)Pro Rhynos are like a nicely seasoned but not beat good DX Rhyno. Big bonus is they're pretty flat so the extra heft of the Thumbtrac isn't as apparent in hand as the DX I've found to be fade happy.

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Old 10-07-2019, 09:50 PM
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The question then becomes - I lean on the Proxy quite a bit lately, and occasionally I want the extra control of something between a Rhyno drive and a Proxy drive. So, do I go with an OS Proxy i.e. an Envy? Or a less OS Rhyno i.e. a beat up DX Rhyno?
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Just get firm Electron Envys and cycle them into Proxy flight. Drop the Proxy out of the bag after a good cycle is in the works. Keep the Proxy for a back up in case you loose your straight Envy until the next Envy is cycled up.

Problem solved.

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Envies (Envys?) have too much glide to replicate that confidence that the Rhyno gives me. It is MUCH easier to blow past your intended target with an Envy and they aren't nearly as well behaved on those tricky/precarious greens.

So lots of love for the Envy, but not for the slot you described.

EDIT: I've been working on my FH shot and am only now getting comfortable with it. DX Rhyno FH shots are more realistic for me now than they used to be. They are still very short and definitely under 250'. Maybe under 200'. But that's a huge improvement from before. If I need more distance than that, I'm probably discing up to a mid. But yeah, I agree with you... DX is awesome
I do agree that Envys can have too much glide for certain low ceiling shots; that's what his fresh premium Rhyno is for. I have the Entropy for that slot my self, similar concept, different feel.

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Like others have said the Envy has a lot more glide than the Rhyno.

If you watched them both fly from a bird's eye view, their flight path would look very similar. But Rhynos like to drop out of the air where an Envy will keep going.

Both are very good molds that can fill the same slot, but how they get from point A to B is a little different.

I find the Envy a lot more comfortable to forehand, and after throwing them for a while I find ranging them is no issue.

Right now I bag the Proxy, Envy and Entropy, and I'm considering going with just the Proxy and Entropy.

Personally I would not replace the Proxy with an Electron Envy. The Proxy will hold that flight for years while an Electron Envy has the potential to lose that dead straight flight with a couple of bad tree shots.

Since you love the Proxy, having the Envy with such a similar feel presents certains advantages.

Best bet is to throw them both and see which fits your style better. Everyone here has done a good job of describing the differences on paper, but sometimes you don't know for sure until you throw the discs yourself.

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Old 10-08-2019, 07:14 AM
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Both are very good molds that can fill the same slot, but how they get from point A to B is a little different.

I find the Envy a lot more comfortable to forehand, and after throwing them for a while I find ranging them is no issue.
I have to agree with Mike here. In the past I bagged both Rhynos and Envys at the same time, although I now bag a beat ProD Zone in the Envy spot. I would use the two molds for different things, but if I needed a forehand shot that was more than 75 feet, I would switch to the Envy. I can forehand the Rhyno pretty well on very low power shots, but as I start to power it up it becomes inconsistent for whatever reason. I also found I had more use for an Envy than a beat Dx Rhyno (which I do quite like). Sure, if you are carrying 20 plus discs and want a beat Dx Rhyno for the rare dead straight low glide 250 to 300 shot, might as well. But the Envy is not so hard to range at that distance that I felt the need to carry an extra disc just for that shot.

So my short answer to the OP is carry a premium Rhyno and a premium Envy.
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I'm carrying Proxy - Envy - Harp. I find the Envy to have much more glide and even distance compared to the Harp. The Harp isnt quite utility overstable, but it holds up really well. I don't find that there's too much overlap with this setup. The Proxy and the Envy are kind of close, but still noticeably different. I find a new Proxy to be less stable than a beat Envy. These MVP discs seems to hold their stability with wear incredibly well
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