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Do you think Eagle, Simon could throw those discs today further than Climo did back then?
I'm going to go ahead and say yes, mainly because Climo wasn't the distance king in his prime. He had contemporaries who threw farther than he did when he was running off all those world titles. He threw far, for sure, but that wasn't the strength of his game.

But also, the players these days are much more refined with their technique. By that I mean I think they, with a little bit of work, can make the adjustments necessary to maximize the distance they get out of a Gazelle or Cyclone or the like. Simon threw a P2 close to 500 feet at WACO. I have to think if you put a Cobra in his hand, he could throw that just as far or farther.
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I get all the "skill" comments, I'm just curious about raw distance potential, then and now.





Do you think Eagle, Simon could throw those discs today further than Climo did back then?
Yep! But only cause they watched Sidewinder's instructional videos.

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I still remember the brag fests on line. "I got the newest longest driver and I threw it fifty feet farther than the last newest longest driver." I once did a snarky post based on the gains bragged about. By the time you got to the Destroyer you should have been up to 800 feet. I think JC is right, distance is distance and the difference between a Boss and a Valk is much less than folks think it is.

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Old 04-16-2019, 04:36 PM
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I get all the "skill" comments, I'm just curious about raw distance potential, then and now.



Do you think Eagle, Simon could throw those discs today further than Climo did back then?

Stokely was throwing xl's 600 feet in 1999. An XL is 7 or 8 speed. I'm not sure how much shorter climo was than stokely, or how far today's pros can throw 7 or 8 speed discs, but this could be a good starting point.

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I'm going to go ahead and say yes, mainly because Climo wasn't the distance king in his prime. He had contemporaries who threw farther than he did when he was running off all those world titles. He threw far, for sure, but that wasn't the strength of his game.

But also, the players these days are much more refined with their technique. By that I mean I think they, with a little bit of work, can make the adjustments necessary to maximize the distance they get out of a Gazelle or Cyclone or the like. Simon threw a P2 close to 500 feet at WACO. I have to think if you put a Cobra in his hand, he could throw that just as far or farther.
Simon and Eagle aren't the furthest throwing guys are they? That's why I mentioned them because they seem to be the furthest throwing "elite" players today. I could have sworn I've read/heard S or E saying Drew Gibson was the furthest throwing pro today. hmm...
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The thing that everyone talks about in this era debate is how far can someone today throw an old disc. Then there's the conversation of stability, control, yada yada yada.

What's never talked about is how much more important distance is today as newer courses and holes are so much longer than in the past due to the game evolving.

There's a reason Stokely and other distance throwers of the past weren't as nearly successful in terms of scoring as the ones today.

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BTW - Rick, of Rick's Darts and Games, here in Houston, been selling discs since the mid to early 1980s, says that his all-time best seller is the Valk. Still is today, more so than any other disc he sells.

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The thing that everyone talks about in this era debate is how far can someone today throw an old disc. Then there's the conversation of stability, control, yada yada yada.

What's never talked about is how much more important distance is today as newer courses and holes are so much longer than in the past due to the game evolving.

There's a reason Stokely and other distance throwers of the past weren't as nearly successful in terms of scoring as the ones today.
I wonder about this. The courses at Tom Bass, where Texas States was played for years, were always big. Lots of 500 to 1000 foot holes, and a few very technical holes. I do see a few mega courses, but the tendency back in the early 2000s was to move the teeboxes back when the pros came to town.

I just feel that there is now more of a demand for big courses to play, day to day.
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I wonder about this. The courses at Tom Bass, where Texas States was played for years, were always big. Lots of 500 to 1000 foot holes, and a few very technical holes. I do see a few mega courses, but the tendency back in the early 2000s was to move the teeboxes back when the pros came to town.

I just feel that there is now more of a demand for big courses to play, day to day.
Just because a hole is further doesn't mean a big arm has a big advantage - even if the hole is wide open.

People, for the most part, don't understand difficulty in our sport very well.

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What's never talked about is how much more important distance is today as newer courses and holes are so much longer than in the past due to the game evolving.
Really..I had no idea. How long was a par 4, 5 back when Climo played?
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