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Old 10-17-2019, 01:43 PM
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Geez, bringing up a topic doesn't equate to conjuring sympathy. I understand that it's on the players, I don't sympathize either.

If registration for a major event can occur at an arbitrary time, and it isn't publicly announced, then it absolutely will lead to some people being SOL. Our events are better when the best players are playing, right? I'm sure TD's don't want to get flooded with personal emails from 50 different players trying to figure out when registration opens, why not have a system in place or have that info emailed to the players? Sometimes it's posted on Facebook or something, but you can't assume that's gonna reach everyone.
I agree that there can always be a better way. Someone could create a shared Google Calendar. Or an email group, or a FB group, a Slack Group. Ultimately it comes down to the player. Most of the events have some sort of website that is attached and linked to on the PDGA events page.

The DGPT has an option to register for all the events at once. The PDGA should probably follow suit.

If each manufacturer will pay me 10K, I will make sure that all their players get registered into all the largest events. I can be their personal assistants.

And I didn't mean to imply your feelings, I was simply speaking for myself.
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:51 PM
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Geez, bringing up a topic doesn't equate to conjuring sympathy. I understand that it's on the players, I don't sympathize either.

If registration for a major event can occur at an arbitrary time, and it isn't publicly announced, then it absolutely will lead to some people being SOL. Our events are better when the best players are playing, right? I'm sure TD's don't want to get flooded with personal emails from 50 different players trying to figure out when registration opens, why not have a system in place or have that info emailed to the players? Sometimes it's posted on Facebook or something, but you can't assume that's gonna reach everyone.
Which "major" event is opening registration in secret or without publicity? I posted earlier in the thread a graphic that the DGPT circulated around this time last year identifying when registration for all of their 2019 events would open. I expect something similar will be posted this year. NT registration opening gets announced on the front page of PDGA.com and on their various social media outlets.

I don't play any of these events nor have an interest, yet I manage to catch these announcements in time to sign up if I wanted to. People for whom this is a full time job and their primary source of income should be at least as on top of these things as I am.

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Old 10-17-2019, 01:55 PM
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If each manufacturer will pay me 10K, I will make sure that all their players get registered into all the largest events. I can be their personal assistants.
I will do it for 5 and throw in any random A-tiers they want along the way.

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Old 10-17-2019, 01:58 PM
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I will do it for 5 and throw in any random A-tiers they want along the way.
For only 5K you will be living paycheck to paycheck. How can you make a living like that. You will then have to ask the PDGA to make special exceptions for you with that salary.

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Old 10-17-2019, 02:02 PM
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This is a really frustrating comment. So many touring pros volunteer their time teaching and training younger players (or newer players). Over the last few years, here are the touring pros I have asked to volunteer their time to do a clinic for me at Ledgestone or Worlds:

Nate Sexton, Madison Walker, Nate Perkins, Paul McBeth, Paige Pierce, Ricky Wysocki, Michael Johansen, Brian Earhart, Paul Ulibarri, etc etc etc etc. The list goes on and on. To say that our touring pros need to do more volunteer work is hard to see in written form. I can assure you that a lot of them spend considerable amounts of time growing the sport for no financial benefit.



In this case, no, I am sympathetic to the issues of touring pros in this regard. I feel that manufacturers should probably do more in the events registration side of things. If they are paying for entry fees for the players anyways, why not just have someone sign up the players so the click war/paycheck issue isn't an issue for them? I could foresee someone with each manufacturer taking on this responsibility for their various top level teams so these players do not miss the biggest events.
It's pretty rare for a top player to not sign up in time for these events. But it does happen sometimes. The player is 100% to blame. This however, has nothing to do with the fact that Lloyd Weema and similar should not be playing with these guys.

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Old 10-17-2019, 02:09 PM
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Should probably be called the Stork rule because we certainly wouldn't want a 70-year old professional, PDGA #003, with an 816 rating hacking around on Jackson or trying to cross Lake Eureka in the MPO division.

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Old 10-17-2019, 02:11 PM
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For only 5K you will be living paycheck to paycheck. How can you make a living like that. You will then have to ask the PDGA to make special exceptions for you with that salary.
I was planning on doing something else with the other 23 hours in the day... you're right though- should probably go full time.
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Old 10-17-2019, 02:18 PM
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I agree that there can always be a better way. Someone could create a shared Google Calendar. Or an email group, or a FB group, a Slack Group. Ultimately it comes down to the player. Most of the events have some sort of website that is attached and linked to on the PDGA events page.

The DGPT has an option to register for all the events at once. The PDGA should probably follow suit.

If each manufacturer will pay me 10K, I will make sure that all their players get registered into all the largest events. I can be their personal assistants.

And I didn't mean to imply your feelings, I was simply speaking for myself.

Couldn’t agree more.

My mind is continually blown at just how bush league so many of these professional teams are “maintained”. It boggles my damn mind that there is not a team coordinator at these bigger disc manufacturers whose job it is to organize players, ensure they’re signed up for all required NTs, their fees are paid and they have travel arrangements to get there. Step beyond that, that same coordinator should be lining up clinics, disc sales, meet & greets, school tours (think EDGE curriculum)... I could go on for days. Maybe weeks- but NONE of this is in play and it would behoove these manufacturers greatly to put more into maximizing the exposure and demographic contact of their athletes.

It takes ONE person to pull it all together for your company and your star athletes and provide far greater return on your most visible marketing assets. Start putting in professional level effort if you want professional results, and demanding your $12k/year winnings earner do it on their own is GARBAGE MENTALITY. Period.

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Old 10-17-2019, 02:31 PM
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This rule is just one more bullet point in the argument that the PDGA doesn't care about lower-rated players. They should be grateful they get the opportunity to volunteer at tournaments and have touring pros come within earshot of them once in a while so they can hear the pros' complaints.

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Old 10-17-2019, 02:34 PM
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This rule is just one more bullet point in the argument that the PDGA doesn't care about lower-rated players.
Disagree. If they didn't care, there wouldn't be any Am Majors. Or they'd restrict lower level players from playing in MPO at all levels.

Just think of it like you have to qualify for these events now. Do you think the PGA US Open just lets anyone play? Nope, gotta qualify.

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