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Old 09-09-2019, 11:06 AM
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I'm hoping to do a tournament on a 13 hole course, which is the minimum for the round to be rated. Are the ratings ok for so few holes or are the point gaps too big?
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Old 09-09-2019, 11:43 AM
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I'm hoping to do a tournament on a 13 hole course, which is the minimum for the round to be rated. Are the ratings ok for so few holes or are the point gaps too big?
Typically depends on how short the course is. If the holes are really short, the strokes will be close to 20 pts each on the ratings scale.

Last weekend in the Canadian Championships, they had a 13 hole round on a longer course and the ratings were about 10 pts per stroke (which is close enough to normal).
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Old 09-09-2019, 11:46 AM
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Chuck will correct me if wrong but I am pretty sure that number of holes doesn't dictate the points per stroke as long as you have the number of holes entered correctly in Tournament Manager. They will normalize points per stroke to be same as an 18 hole course of similar difficulty.
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:08 PM
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Chuck will correct me if wrong but I am pretty sure that number of holes doesn't dictate the points per stroke as long as you have the number of holes entered correctly in Tournament Manager. They will normalize points per stroke to be same as an 18 hole course of similar difficulty.
Again, Chuck knows it more, but I don't think you are necessarily correct here. A 13 hole layout will have an extremely low SSA, and the SSA is the prime component of points-per-stroke.
https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/39082
Minnesota Majestic's 27 hole layout produces 6 points per stroke, despite not being as difficult as longer wooded 18 hole courses.
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:12 PM
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Typically depends on how short the course is. If the holes are really short, the strokes will be close to 20 pts each on the ratings scale.

Last weekend in the Canadian Championships, they had a 13 hole round on a longer course and the ratings were about 10 pts per stroke (which is close enough to normal).
Here's an tournament that I played in that is an example of my first claim:

https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/14506#MPO

Funny story, Tim Keith had a spit out on a single chain basket that went OB. The spit cost him about 40 ratings points for the round.
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:42 PM
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Here's an tournament that I played in that is an example of my first claim:

https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/14506#MPO

Funny story, Tim Keith had a spit out on a single chain basket that went OB. The spit cost him about 40 ratings points for the round.
...and the win, right? I'll bet people around Tim Keith are always asking him why he is breaking out into laughter all the time.

While it doesn't affect ratings at all, it looks like there were about five par 2s on that thirteen hole course.
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Old 09-09-2019, 03:04 PM
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...and the win, right? I'll bet people around Tim Keith are always asking him why he is breaking out into laughter all the time.

While it doesn't affect ratings at all, it looks like there were about five par 2s on that thirteen hole course.
Every few years we get together and reminisce about the spitout that allowed me to tie him. Maybe I'm the only one laughing

As I said, the course was very short which is why you see the points at almost 20 per stroke.
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Old 09-09-2019, 03:59 PM
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Again, Chuck knows it more, but I don't think you are necessarily correct here. A 13 hole layout will have an extremely low SSA, and the SSA is the prime component of points-per-stroke.
https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/39082
Minnesota Majestic's 27 hole layout produces 6 points per stroke, despite not being as difficult as longer wooded 18 hole courses.
Now that I actually look at it you are correct.
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Old 09-09-2019, 04:39 PM
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The number of throws to complete a round is negatively correlated with rating points per throw (RPPT). For example, a 13 hole course of (true) par 5s will have a lower RPPT than an 18 hole course of (true) par 3s, given the same propagators.

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Old 09-09-2019, 10:07 PM
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Here's an tournament that I played in that is an example of my first claim:

https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/14506#MPO

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thanks for this, no way I wouldve found a 13 hole course tournament on my own lol. I'm ok with a big point difference as long as high rated rounds are possible and are resonably accurate. . The course I plan on using has 2 "par 2s" but 2 legit par 4s as well.

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