#21  
Old 04-09-2019, 02:10 PM
jjmiller jjmiller is offline
Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: back in IN
Posts: 515
Niced 314 Times in 180 Posts
Default

The local shop had one that they let me put the calipers on this past weekend. Rim width was ~.735”ish. Same as a Vulture/Predator, little more than a Tracker/Undertaker(~.710”ish) and a little less than a Firebird(~.750”).

If anyone’s curious or finds that sort of thing interesting...
Sponsored Links

Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 04-09-2019, 02:16 PM
Titan037's Avatar
Titan037 Titan037 is offline
AKA dgfanatic7
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Irving, TX
Posts: 3,374
Niced 239 Times in 148 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MANBURGARLAR View Post
I really want to try one, but it still seems the jury is out on these. Between my tracker and machete I don’t know if I would really need this Disc.
a z one would probably fit right between the two honestly. I stopped throwing the tracker since its oop personally. But this Z is a nice workable overstable. I Use 3 raptors currently, a z glo, a z and a ESP. esp is the leas stable, basically a overstable vulture imo. the z glo i have bagged for a while and use it for a variety of shots including thumbers so its a bit worked it. the z i use for headwinds or if i need big skips

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 04-12-2019, 09:49 AM
Dcinmd Dcinmd is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Ashburn, VA
Posts: 455
Niced 357 Times in 173 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by myllys View Post
Couldn’t find a dedicated thread for this mold. I’m curious if it could be a cheaper replacement for sexybirds. Anybody?
I keep telling myself that the Predator in ESP FLX plastic is my economical version of a sexybird. It works for me at least with a ton of flex before the over stable finish.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 04-12-2019, 09:55 AM
riltim riltim is offline
Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
Years Playing: 9.8
Courses Played: 35
Throwing Style: LHBH
Posts: 909
Niced 273 Times in 153 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmtata01 View Post
Anyone get a beefy one? Like the flight numbers? Mine flew like a Teebird3 very straight with a little fade at the end. Loved how it felt in the hand. Mine was a 169 ...I ordered a 175 to see if that will make it more of a 3 fade and not a 1
My 173-174 stickered First Run Zs are beefy. More overstable than the Z Predators in my bag but shorter.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 04-15-2019, 09:22 PM
UKfan's Avatar
UKfan UKfan is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Kentucky
Years Playing: 11.2
Courses Played: 86
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 493
Niced 9 Times in 8 Posts
Default Raptor vs. Reaper

I have not seen a Raptor. How does it compare to Discraft's original Z Reaper?

I always liked the feel of the Reaper. The temporary Big Z type version a couple years ago was nothing like the Z Reaper and had a totally different feel in the wing.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 04-16-2019, 03:45 AM
myllys myllys is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 290
Niced 113 Times in 72 Posts
Default

I bought a pearly white first run Z to try out. To be continued.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 04-17-2019, 12:33 AM
ILUVSMGS18 ILUVSMGS18 is offline
Double Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Keeseville, NY
Years Playing: 7.4
Courses Played: 12
Posts: 1,925
Niced 571 Times in 396 Posts
Default

So my light blue FR Z is basically a DC FB with a more comfy rim and a but less LSS. It even worked as a FH roller for me. The foil on my disc is pink, dark red, and silver which I've never seen before.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 08-16-2020, 01:54 PM
Twmccoy Twmccoy is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 2,690
Niced 951 Times in 734 Posts
Default Raptor

Threw a Raptor for the first time today. Z, 168g. Looking at and feeling this disc I was immediately reminded of a Firebird. Same style rim. Fairly flat, but not as flat as some Firebirds I've seen.

I really ended up liking the Raptor. Control/consistency are the name of the game here. The Raptor is fairly overstable, and it isn't going to be anyone's first choice for sheer distance. My top distance with it was about 380', but most throws were more like 360'. Very controllable disc. The Raptor isn't going to turn or flip, so you know what it'll do on every throw. I was able to dial in some very accurate 360' drives.

This disc reminds me of a slightly mellower Firebird. It has the same general flight, but glides a bit better and isn't quite as overstable. I feel like the Raptor faded later than a Firebird, and less severely. I also got better distance with it than I would with any Firebird.

Conditions were calm today, so I didn't get to test the Raptor into any headwinds. I have a feeling it'll do just fine though.

Raptor: 9, 4, 0, 3. I'm going to go with 0 for high speed turn, but it might actually be something like -0.5. I noticed a couple hard, flat shots that seemed to almost wiggle right just a bit. That said, this disc is in no danger of flipping. The only way I could really flex it out at all was to throw it high and anny. Glide is solidly average. Fade is pronounced, but not as early as some overstable discs I've seen.

Overall, the Raptor seems like a really nice disc. Its perfect for drives where supreme accuracy is needed. The Raptor is steerable and in no danger of randomly flipping off course. Comparisons to the Firebird are obvious, but the Raptor is longer and not as severely overstable. The disc has a comfortable hand feel and is capable of being a workhorse utility/overstable driver. The Raptor can be pushed hard, and it will respond with somewhat impressive distance.

Not a disc for noodle arms or beginners.

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 08-17-2020, 01:09 PM
Alexplz's Avatar
Alexplz Alexplz is offline
Double Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Courses Played: 2
Posts: 1,689
Niced 620 Times in 405 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twmccoy View Post
Not a disc for noodle arms or beginners.
I think this warrants additional discussion on overstable fairways.

Beginners, rusty quarantiners, people who never had the armspeed - surely there's a legit slot in their bags for an overstable fairway I think.

Everyone occasionally needs to skip something around bushes within 200' or to work on thumbers or forehand rollers. Maybe then, those without the power to really stretch out a Raptor or Firebird should check out, what, a mid-160s champ Banshee or something?

That's probably what I would first recommend for a beginner. Or maybe like a Resistor. There are precious few slower OS fairways left.

With that in mind, maybe like a mid-160s star firebird would work OK too. I think the deal is, a thunderbird or vulture for example are just really not OS enough to perform on the trick shots I mentioned before.

Thoughts?
Reply With Quote
 

  #30  
Old 08-17-2020, 01:42 PM
Twmccoy Twmccoy is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 2,690
Niced 951 Times in 734 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexplz View Post
I think this warrants additional discussion on overstable fairways.

Beginners, rusty quarantiners, people who never had the armspeed - surely there's a legit slot in their bags for an overstable fairway I think.

Everyone occasionally needs to skip something around bushes within 200' or to work on thumbers or forehand rollers. Maybe then, those without the power to really stretch out a Raptor or Firebird should check out, what, a mid-160s champ Banshee or something?

That's probably what I would first recommend for a beginner. Or maybe like a Resistor. There are precious few slower OS fairways left.

With that in mind, maybe like a mid-160s star firebird would work OK too. I think the deal is, a thunderbird or vulture for example are just really not OS enough to perform on the trick shots I mentioned before.


Thoughts?

I guess I can't disagree with your points. I know when I was a beginner I never had anything like a Raptor or Firebird in the bag. I wouldn't have known how to throw them, and I CERTAINLY didn't possess the arm to make a disc like that flatten out at all.

When I said not for noodle arms I meant that the disc won't work well for beginners trying to mash out long, flat fairway driver shots. The Raptor is pretty beefy and not overly glidey. I suppose if a beginner ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THE DISC DOES he might find use for the Raptor as a utility disc. I just find that many beginners pick up discs randomly at stores because the name of the disc (or the disc itself) looks cool or it's on sale. These guys have no clue how it'll actually fly. 10 years ago I could have thrown something like the Raptor and written it off as super overstable and awful. I felt like I had to become a better player and longer thrower to truly appreciate and understand the use of overstable discs.

All of that said, I feel like the Raptor is a pretty damn good overstable fairway driver. It isn't a complete glideless turd. The disc will cover some distance if you really muscle it out there. Its an accurate/consistent driver good for a variety of shots. I know Paige Pierce seems to throw Raptors frequently and on a variety of shots. I also feel like MOST beginners won't appreciate what such a disc can even do. They'd probably pick it up, throw it a couple times, and give up because it flies too overstable for them.

Last edited by Twmccoy; 08-17-2020 at 01:45 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
RDG Raptor/Discraft Raptor Name Debacle jcassidy1990 General Disc Golf Chat 43 01-06-2019 08:43 AM
McBeast/Raptor Stamps! Top10z General Disc Golf Chat 21 12-08-2017 08:47 PM
First Run Armorflex Raptor 93EXCivic The Marketplace 1 10-24-2016 01:32 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.