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I throw 320' to 330' on flat ground, laser measured. Tend to hyzerflip everything, rarely throw flexes.

158g Opto Sapphire, gave it another fair go today. I have to put significant (for me) intentional anny to keep it in the air, still hyzers out.

All these discs I bag go just as far and usually farther:
Hades with tiny bit of flex
Queen, beat in with a slight hyzerflip
Gstar Thunderbird flexed
Essence thrown flat
Gstar Valkyrie hyzer flipped
Gstar Sidewinder 158 very hyzerflipped


I've given up on the Sapphire at this time and put it in the garage box. It just doesn't do anything special for me, glide isnt really anything better than the rest of those and I feel like I have to work harder to make the Sapphire fly for distance.
You'd probably be suited better with a Heat. Those things glide for days and hyzerflip really well. For your power level you'd see good results. I can push Heats over 400', but I generally find them too flippy for routine use.

The Sapphire isn't anything like a heat. Much beefier.
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Old 07-27-2020, 06:10 AM
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I bought a 158g Opto Chameleon when they first came out, and I've been surprised by how OS it is. Look, I'm a noodle-arm so I know my limitations. But I still get longer (and straighter) throws with my Z Heat and my Breakouts in various plastics. I had a mid-150's Opto Jade that used to fly great (until I lost it), so I was hoping for neutral stability and distance with the Sapphire.

The Opto Chameleon Sapphire looks great - but it goes left.
Yeah, that΄s true.

I use my Opto Chameleon (158g) for looong (Glide !!!) straight shots with a nice, hard finish to the left. (flat release) No Turn at all. Great for Tunnel shots when the basket is on the left side.
But my Gold Line Sapphire (154g) does excatly what the numbers tell you. Big turn to the right and then fading back. (flat release) For me the Gold Line seems to be T -2 ; F 2

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Old 07-27-2020, 11:17 AM
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I'll admit I have a noodle arm, I'm 59 too but always working on my game and form.

The Sapphire is listed in their easy to throw line up. It's not. If you're a 400ft thrower, yes, then maybe it is, but if you're a 400ft thrower, I would imagine there are many other better options. So, who is this disc really for?

I loved the jade and as I said before, was hoping for a more stable Jade.

I throw a Valk 330ft, have a beat Pro that I can get a bit further in the right conditions, I can't get my Sapphire to 300ft.
I'll keep it in the car and throw it during field work, maybe if I break it in I can get that glide to kick in.

Then again, maybe I just got a dud.

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Old 07-27-2020, 11:47 AM
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I'll admit I have a noodle arm, I'm 59 too but always working on my game and form.

The Sapphire is listed in their easy to throw line up. It's not. If you're a 400ft thrower, yes, then maybe it is, but if you're a 400ft thrower, I would imagine there are many other better options. So, who is this disc really for?

I loved the jade and as I said before, was hoping for a more stable Jade.

I throw a Valk 330ft, have a beat Pro that I can get a bit further in the right conditions, I can't get my Sapphire to 300ft.
I'll keep it in the car and throw it during field work, maybe if I break it in I can get that glide to kick in.

Then again, maybe I just got a dud.
If you're throwing one of the Chameleon or Opto ones, those are quite a bit more stable IME. The Gold Lines seem to turn a bit more easily.

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Old 07-27-2020, 01:00 PM
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If the stability differs that much among the plastics, then I'm really sorry I jumped on the initial release (only Chameleon was available).

It makes me question my loyalty to Latitude. Seriously - they pushed it as part of the "easy to throw" line, and made claims relative to the Jade (which many of us are familiar with). But if the only discs that really make good on their claim is in other plastics, released later, then why should I ever bother to buy a disc until I read a lot of user feedback.

OK - I guess the lesson is really too obvious...don't believe manufacturers' claims.

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Old 07-27-2020, 01:04 PM
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I have found the Sapphire get as a FH driver. It will hold and amazing straight line when i hit it flat. or with a touch of anny. It lets me know when i get the wing down. works great into a head wind bh for me where i would throw my jade but need extra stability. I have an opto and a goldline. the regular opto is a little less stable then the goldline. haven't thrown the chameleon.
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Old 07-27-2020, 06:05 PM
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I'll admit I have a noodle arm, I'm 59 too but always working on my game and form.

The Sapphire is listed in their easy to throw line up. It's not. If you're a 400ft thrower, yes, then maybe it is, but if you're a 400ft thrower, I would imagine there are many other better options. So, who is this disc really for?

I loved the jade and as I said before, was hoping for a more stable Jade.

I throw a Valk 330ft, have a beat Pro that I can get a bit further in the right conditions, I can't get my Sapphire to 300ft.
I'll keep it in the car and throw it during field work, maybe if I break it in I can get that glide to kick in.

Then again, maybe I just got a dud.
I agree the Sapphire wasn't easy to throw. I max out at about 475' with stuff like Shrykes, Corvettes, or Katanas. I could push the Sapphire out to about 425', but I had to earn it. The Sapphire glides really well, but you have to throw the disc hard to flatten it out. It won't pop up from a hyzerflip at all.

To max out with the Sapphire I pretty much had to wrench it over anny as hard as I could with some height.

The Sapphire isn't a disc I'd recommend to any beginner or short thrower looking to tack on easy yardage. The disc is a wolf in sheep's clothing. The light weight is deceptive. For me the Sapphire flew like a star Destroyer. I could get turn if I put everything into it, but doing so wasn't easy at all.

I don't know who the disc would really suit. On the course I'd rather throw something like a Thunderbird, Teebird, or Explorer for those types of shots. The Sapphire is at least consistent/accurate. I could aim it easily.

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Old 07-27-2020, 06:53 PM
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If the stability differs that much among the plastics, then I'm really sorry I jumped on the initial release (only Chameleon was available).

It makes me question my loyalty to Latitude. Seriously - they pushed it as part of the "easy to throw" line, and made claims relative to the Jade (which many of us are familiar with). But if the only discs that really make good on their claim is in other plastics, released later, then why should I ever bother to buy a disc until I read a lot of user feedback.

OK - I guess the lesson is really too obvious...don't believe manufacturers' claims.

D'oh!
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Old 07-28-2020, 02:41 PM
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OK, I got a chance to throw the Sapphire again today. Same disc as before, Chameleon 157g.

OH. MY. GOD. I got this thing dialed in perfectly, and it bombs. This is BY FAR the furthest flying speed 10 disc I've ever seen. I tacked on another 25' today over what I was doing a couple days ago. 450' multiple times. I'd attribute that to feeling more familiar with the disc than before.

Weather was nice and calm. No real breeze to speak of.

I was throwing the disc hard, high, and a little anny. Once you turn the Sapphire over a little it'll hold that line magnificently without drifting way off right. Excellent late glide and a very late fade.

I'm floored by this thing. Its keeping up with all the faster drivers I keep putting it up against. Everything from Mayhems, Ballista Pros, Katanas, Corvettes, ETC.

Consistent flights too. I think I grip locked it once today, but other than that the shots were really straight.

I'm absolutely serious when I say the Sapphire has 12-13 speed distance in a 10 speed disc. I'm also serious when I say you need a big arm to really flex it out. Anything less than 400' you probably won't even turn it.

I don't even know what I'd compare the Sapphire to. It doesn't remind me of any other disc. All I'll say is to be patient with this disc. It takes a little while to get a feel for. The results are worth the patience though. Stunning flier.

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Old 07-28-2020, 05:12 PM
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I'm absolutely serious when I say the Sapphire has 12-13 speed distance in a 10 speed disc. I'm also serious when I say you need a big arm to really flex it out. Anything less than 400' you probably won't even turn it.
Did you actually mean flex here?

I throw my Saphires on flex lines all the time and I get about 270'-300' out of them. More dump on the Opto, less on the Gold.

I definitely can’t flip them up out of a hyzer though, or keep them turned over, but they throw flex lines well for me.

Maybe I just don’t know the lingo though?
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