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Who still likes the classic aviar? An who still uses one? Can you tell me what you like best about them? Thank you.
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Old 06-03-2014, 11:35 PM
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Serious question: Is there any difference between the DX P & A and the Classic Aviar other than the stamp? They are both beadless, both DX...back in the day the P & A stamp plastic was softer than the grid stamp plastic, but I don't think that is the case anymore. Are they just the same thing with different stamps?

disclaimer: I have not held both at the same time, so I could be very wrong.
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Serious question: Is there any difference between the DX P & A and the Classic Aviar other than the stamp? They are both beadless, both DX...back in the day the P & A stamp plastic was softer than the grid stamp plastic, but I don't think that is the case anymore. Are they just the same thing with different stamps?

disclaimer: I have not held both at the same time, so I could be very wrong.
You hear people say that the classics are more stiff than the regular PnA aviars. I think Dave Dunipace even mentions it in one of the SpinTV videos. I'm not really an aviar man myself, so I can't really confirm or deny this

edit: found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3tw0KLPZRI

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Serious question: Is there any difference between the DX P & A and the Classic Aviar other than the stamp? They are both beadless, both DX...back in the day the P & A stamp plastic was softer than the grid stamp plastic, but I don't think that is the case anymore. Are they just the same thing with different stamps?

disclaimer: I have not held both at the same time, so I could be very wrong.
"About the Classic Aviar: The Classic Aviar is the original model that gave rise to all other Aviars. The Classic is our straightest flying Aviar model from start to finish. It is made in a firm plastic with a good grip. Like all other Aviar models it is reliable and dependable in all conditions. " From Innova's website

The Classic is listed as having a 2,3,0,0 for flight numbers and the P&A has 2,3,0,1.

I don't have one to hold or look at to figure out what is different.
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You hear people say that the classics are more stiff than the regular PnA aviars. I think Dave Dunipace even mentions it in one of the SpinTV videos. I'm not really an aviar man myself, so I can't really confirm or deny this

edit: found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3tw0KLPZRI
Lol at the huge poptop on that Star Aviar Driver. They couldn't find a decently molded one for the video?
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they are different molds and the classics are generally harder but the recent runs aren't very stiff in comparison, but both are beadless. from my experience the classic aviar is very neutral and wont really turnover they will just drift over but that is once they are pretty beat up. I imagine new it would be straight and could handle some power very well. but very straight putter. much easier to make go straight than a normal dx pna aviar
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A quick look at the specs shows the Aviar Classic and P&A having the same measurements. Though the Classic might have a blunter nose(?)

Original- this one is stiffer than the other two.
http://discgolfsweden.se/discar/disc...px?DiscId=1880

Retool
http://discgolfsweden.se/discar/disc...px?DiscId=1881

P&A
http://discgolfsweden.se/discar/disc...px?DiscId=1886

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I don't know...I've held a Classic Aviar and I've held a DX P & A. It wasn't a dramatic difference IMO, more like the common variation between firm and soft that you get with DX. I really see no reason for them to make both.
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A quick look at the specs shows the Aviar Classic and P&A having the same measurements. Though the Classic might have a blunter nose(?)

Original- this one is stiffer than the other two.
http://discgolfsweden.se/discar/disc...px?DiscId=1880

Retool
http://discgolfsweden.se/discar/disc...px?DiscId=1881

P&A
http://discgolfsweden.se/discar/disc...px?DiscId=1886
Eh, back in the 90's the big bead and small bead had similar noses, the bead was just a different size. They don't make that big bead anymore; it was converted to the Aviar X which is the big bead mold they use now. The Aviar X is the one with the blunt nose. The small bead P & A was converted to beadless and the nose is more or less the same as The Aviar nose has been. The Classic Aviar is the beadless mold, so it's should not have the blunt Aviar X nose.
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I own a grid aviar (aka the classic) and a PnA. I have found without a doubt that the classic aviar has far less fade than the PnA mold even when fresh. When thrown without OAT I have found mine to be surprisingly HSS with a flight that simply hovers gently to the ground.

The plasic is indeed stiffer. I actually prefer beaded putters due to the way they release from my grip but otherwise it's a very cool putter. The profile as compared to the PnA is very similar.

Honestly I don't see what the PnA mold offers over the classic mold other than some more stability or something. I figure why not use the BB at that point but I understand some people prefer unbeaded.
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