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Old 12-05-2018, 03:50 PM
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Well, I've thrown 2 shimmer star discs now. The Tern and Mystere. The plastic is only meh for me. It seems worse than regular star and gets beat up easily. The Tern flew very well, but the Mystere didn't. I agree that I liked the regular star Mystere more than the shimmer one. It seems like Innova did a knockoff of Discraft's ti plastic. The ti plastic is better quality though.
Ti is definitely better quality. I don't see Shimmer Star as being a Ti imitation; they're not alike to me. Shimmer Star seems to be something between Star and GStar, and (like you said) Shimmer Star is not durable at all...
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:26 PM
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My Shimmer Star Mystere was/is a dud. I need to move it.

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Old 05-21-2019, 11:00 AM
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I've found pretty much the same. When you start getting over 400' the Tern will often flip over and not come back. A Shryke will flip more mildly and come back late in flight. I've had a lot of Tern throws go a LOOOONNGGGGG way, but far to the right of where I intended. Shrykes tend to have a bit less high speed turn. I also feel like the Tern hyzerflips better than a Shryke. If you put a bunch of hyzer on a Shryke it'll just hold that line and never flatten out.

A Shryke is a touch more overstable than a Tern. I also agree I get cleaner releases on the Shryke than the Tern.

The Tern and Shryke are similar enough that you probably wouldn't feel the need to bag both of them at once.
Slight necro quote here, but I'm curious - Terns are jockeying for position as my one and true Distance Driver Workhorse™ but I'm wondering one thing. What are tern throwers bagging as their wind fighting complement?

The way I see it, a good stable bookend for a stack of workhorse discs should feel similar, fly somewhat similar, and be widely available in similar plastic. Shoot, even a particularly beefy tern could do the job here, thinking like max weight pop topped glow or MF.

But anyway, I had narrowed it down to a few usual suspects including a star wraith, a pro/gstar destroyer, a pop top champ shryke or pharaoh, or a trespass. What do you guys think?

edit: note that I have tried a champ DDX and didn't click with it.

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Old 05-21-2019, 11:20 AM
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The way I see it, a good stable bookend for a stack of workhorse discs should feel similar, fly somewhat similar, and be widely available in similar plastic. Shoot, even a particularly beefy tern could do the job here, thinking like max weight pop topped glow or MF.

But anyway, I had narrowed it down to a few usual suspects including a star wraith, a pro/gstar destroyer, a pop top champ shryke or pharaoh, or a trespass. What do you guys think?
I'd probably look into Wraiths...Terns aren't crazy high speed and they power down well, so I think the Wraith really matches these characteristics. If you need something for that very true OS to hyzer through a hurricane then you can add in one beefier Destroyer too...if you're used to throwing Wraiths then the Destroyer is the exact same shape in hand to me.

The Shryke doesn't power down as easily I think, and I love the Trespass but I think it would beat in faster than the Innova plastic for dealing with being your stable mold. The Trespass beats in to be comparable to the Tern to me...I use it for my Tern shots because I prefer the hand feel of the Trespass. Even if they start off beefier I think they season faster. So that's why the Wraith is what I'd go with...the Wraith/Trespass may start off more similar initially, but the Wraith should stay in that stability for way longer.

I have not thrown the Pharaoh, and I also did not click with the DDX.

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Old 05-21-2019, 11:49 AM
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Slight necro quote here, but I'm curious - Terns are jockeying for position as my one and true Distance Driver Workhorse™ but I'm wondering one thing. What are tern throwers bagging as their wind fighting complement?


I've been doing: Tern for Hyzer flips to right finish, Trespass for hyzer to straight and an Excal or something similar for shots that go left.

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Old 05-21-2019, 01:30 PM
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I recently put a champ tern in the bag after auditioning a couple of trespasses - one lucid, one fuzion burst. I really like how neutral and glidey they are, but man, they really don't like any wind save a tailwind (which is where they really shine, IMO). Any cross or headwind and I really can't trust them. I do find the champ tern a touch more resistant to wind, and a bit longer than the trespass, although their S curve is not as tight as the flight of the trespass in calm conditions.

As far as a bookend to terns, I'd just grab a pop top destroyer. Newer star wraiths all have a touch of turn for me, out of the box. I max out right around 400, for reference.
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:20 AM
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Slight necro quote here, but I'm curious - Terns are jockeying for position as my one and true Distance Driver Workhorse™ but I'm wondering one thing. What are tern throwers bagging as their wind fighting complement?

The way I see it, a good stable bookend for a stack of workhorse discs should feel similar, fly somewhat similar, and be widely available in similar plastic. Shoot, even a particularly beefy tern could do the job here, thinking like max weight pop topped glow or MF.

But anyway, I had narrowed it down to a few usual suspects including a star wraith, a pro/gstar destroyer, a pop top champ shryke or pharaoh, or a trespass. What do you guys think?

edit: note that I have tried a champ DDX and didn't click with it.
The Tern for me was never a "workhorse" driver. I bagged one for a while, but took it out in favor of a Shryke. For me the Shryke is a little more consistent and less flippy. I can get about the same distance with Terns and Shrykes, but the Shryke will do it in a more accurate manner.

If I were going to bag Terns, they'd be strictly for hyzerflip, downwind, open hole bombs. If I wanted a workhorse driver of the same speed I'd use a star Destroyer. A Wraith would also work.

If you absolutely love the feel/flight of a Tern, but want something just a tad beefier, try a Discmania DDX. The DDX just doesn't glide as well and has a harder late fade.
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:27 AM
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I'd probably look into Wraiths...Terns aren't crazy high speed and they power down well, so I think the Wraith really matches these characteristics. If you need something for that very true OS to hyzer through a hurricane then you can add in one beefier Destroyer too...if you're used to throwing Wraiths then the Destroyer is the exact same shape in hand to me.

The Shryke doesn't power down as easily I think, and I love the Trespass but I think it would beat in faster than the Innova plastic for dealing with being your stable mold. The Trespass beats in to be comparable to the Tern to me...I use it for my Tern shots because I prefer the hand feel of the Trespass. Even if they start off beefier I think they season faster. So that's why the Wraith is what I'd go with...the Wraith/Trespass may start off more similar initially, but the Wraith should stay in that stability for way longer.

I have not thrown the Pharaoh, and I also did not click with the DDX.
I agree with a lot of this. Terns power down very well. They'll maintain the same flight even if you don't throw them overly hard. A Tern is a perfect max distance driver for guys who don't throw very far. The floaty glide will yield every foot of distance possible. I also agree the Shryke won't power down as well. If you underthrow it, the disc stalls and fades out sharply. Terns won't do that.

I'm hit or miss on the Trespass. That seems like a mold that doesn't know what it wants to be. I'll get some Trespasses that are pretty beefy (like Destroyers) and others that flip ridiculously. Even a good Trespass won't hang with a Tern in terms of sheer distance for me.
I dabbled a bit with a Trespass in the bag, but I couldn't find a definite role for it. It was that uncomfortable mix between really flippy and occasionally stubbornly short. Every time I really laid into the Trespass it would turn over. Its a decent hyzerflip driver, but I like Terns and Shrykes for that role better.
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Old 05-23-2019, 10:56 PM
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Slight necro quote here, but I'm curious - Terns are jockeying for position as my one and true Distance Driver Workhorse™ but I'm wondering one thing. What are tern throwers bagging as their wind fighting complement?
In my bag to complement the Terns:

More overstable: Star Shryke
Significantly more overstable: GStar Wraith
Very significantly more overstable: Star Wraith

Plus a couple Star Roadrunners in different weights if I need something more understable.
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Slight necro quote here, but I'm curious - Terns are jockeying for position as my one and true Distance Driver Workhorse™ but I'm wondering one thing. What are tern throwers bagging as their wind fighting complement?

The way I see it, a good stable bookend for a stack of workhorse discs should feel similar, fly somewhat similar, and be widely available in similar plastic. Shoot, even a particularly beefy tern could do the job here, thinking like max weight pop topped glow or MF.

But anyway, I had narrowed it down to a few usual suspects including a star wraith, a pro/gstar destroyer, a pop top champ shryke or pharaoh, or a trespass. What do you guys think?

edit: note that I have tried a champ DDX and didn't click with it.
I tried a Teedevil, then a near-max-weight Champion Tern, then a Pro Destroyer.

Then I disced down for the Winter, and I found that an SL worked very well for me.

Now I'm bagging the Shryke/Pharaoh in that hi-speed driver slot. If I know it's windy, I'll put the Pharaoh in the bag; it's a wee bit more (over)stable than my Pro Shryke.
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