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Old 05-21-2019, 12:12 PM
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I can fit 16 + 1 putter.
Currently I have:

Putting putter:
175g ProD Rattler

Low speed (Putters and Approach):
173g Jawbreaker Challenger
170g Ace Race (ESP?) Sol
170g Z-FLX Zone



Midrange:
170g Elite-Z Buzzz beat-in
170g Elite-Z Buzzz newer
169g Star Mako3
168g Lucid Verdict (I have been back and forth on this disc and a heavier beat-in Drone)

Fairway:
172g Ace Race Titanium Mantis
165g Neutron Tesla

168g Elite-Z beat-in Heat
173g Big-Z Heat
173g Z-Flx Heat

Distance:
173g Big-Z Thrasher
168g Z-Flx Machete
168g Epic
144g Z-Lite Nuke



The discs in BOLD are ones that I am very comfortable with. There are two color-coded bold discs as well:
The Tesla flies very much like my AR Mantis, but it's more visible (the only thing I don't like about my AR Mantids is that the titanium coloration is not the easiest to locate). I throw the mantis more frequently, but if I'm worried about having to find my throw, I'll throw the tesla.
The light and beat-in heat used to be my favorite disc, but it turns over too easily compared with the heavier Big-Z and Z-Flx ones. I predominantly use the heat for FH hyzerflip shots. The Big-Z ends slightly turned, the Z-Flx ends slightly faded. The elite-Z one ends very turned. It's predictable though, and there's merit to that.

That leaves me with four discs I am unsure on and a potential 5th slot if I take out the lightweight heat.

My Needs/Wants:
I struggle a lot with upshot consistency. I've been working on fixing a lot of my erratic shots here by focusing my attention on the zone and the sol. I can get a laser straight hyzerflip flick with sol in the 100-120 foot range and that's been really helpful. Beyond that range, I throw my zone either FH or BH depending on how I want it to fade.

Why I added:
The challenger: I added this because it is like a squatter and somewhat chunkier version of my rattler. There are times where I'd like to just toss the rattler on an approach where I want it to float down and die. I've also banged trees doing this and since the rattler only comes in cheap-o plastic, I didn't want to accidentally destroy it, so I am toying with the jawbreaker challenger. But I only throw it for floating backhand shots.

The mako3: I added this to get more distance from the same shot I throw with the sol. A little more power (not a lot) can get me another 50 feet comfortably on a very straight line. I only have the one so practicing consistency is kind of tedious, but I think it makes sense.

The machete: I see people effectively weave in and out of trees at my local course using this disc on a tomahawk much like a shortstop throwing a 4-6-3 double play back to first. So I decided to give it a try. It's a crazy weaving shot that I can get a good 180-220 feet with, though it feels a little rough on the elbow.

The epic: So yeah, I love weird discs and I had to get one of these. But you can tune it to the degree of stability that you wish. That alone seemed like a very useful disc to have to get out of trouble. But on the downside, the plastic is very soft and not so durable.


Anyway, how does the bag look with regards to the bold discs which comprise my core game, and what would you suggest with respect to the others? I have backups of the zone, the thrasher, the AR sol, and the AR mantis, but I didn't really see a need to bag more than one of each. Maybe I'm wrong?

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Old 05-21-2019, 08:20 PM
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Ok so since nobody jumped in yet, I spent the evening throwing my AR Sols and discovered that I can adjust the hyzer angle enough to get more straight distance on the flips and by keeping it low enough, the unpredictable direction of the finish is minimized.
So rather than bagging a different (even though it feels pretty close) mold, I swapped out the mako3 with a 167g AR Sol. This lighter Sol generally ends turned over while the heavier one is the one which sometimes fades.
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Old 05-21-2019, 11:42 PM
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I was going to ask if the Mako3 and SOL overlapped. Seems like you figured that out already though. I am a fan of manipulating less stable discs to hit lines. They can produce some of the prettiest shots. Your bag overall looks solid though. Do you ever find yourself trying to hit a line and not feeling like you have a disc for it?

I bag multiples of almost every mold in my bag except for my FD3, MD5, Nova and Leopard. The FD3 and MD5 aren't thrown a ton on the courses I play around me. Plus, when I throw them a lot I feel like it messes with my form and ability to hit lines with my less stable discs. I don't see the point of carrying multiple Novas and occasionally I will bag a second Leopard.

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Old 05-22-2019, 05:57 PM
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Everything looks pretty good. My only suggestion is to bag the discs you're most comfortable with. If there's a question about a disc in your mind, leave that disc at home. If you're missing it while playing, put it back in the bag. If you don't miss it, then leave it out.

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Old 05-22-2019, 08:56 PM
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You don’t have to stuff the bag full. Just take out the ones not in bold or color.

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Originally Posted by ITB Template
(examples in blue):

Golf Distance (avg/max*) for putter/mid/driver: Wizard: 200/240'; Buzzz: 250/280'; Teebird: 310/330'

* Max distance is the greatest distance you can throw your top 2-3 drivers with any regularity
Listing your distances in the format quoted above should help you to get better feedback on your bag. There is a little overlap in your bag, but nothing too crazy. Some of my recommendations may change based on how far you are throwing on both BH & FH shots. (My suggestions will be in Red)


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I can fit 16 + 1 putter.
Currently I have:

Putting putter:
175g ProD Rattler This is a very unique choice for a putting putter, but if you are effective with it keep on putting with the Rattler. If not, you have a good alternative in the Challenger.

Low speed (Putters and Approach): This selection of discs should have all your approach lines covered.
173g Jawbreaker Challenger
170g Ace Race (ESP?) Sol
170g Z-FLX Zone


Midrange:
170g Elite-Z Buzzz beat-in
170g Elite-Z Buzzz newer
169g Star Mako3 If you are only using the Mako3 as a slightly longer Sol, you might as well just add in your backup Sol. You should be able to replicate the Mako3 shots with a Sol pretty easily, add a little more hyzer and power on release if necessary. A beat in Buzzz can also easily cover Mako3 lines, especially if its an Elite X or Jawbreaker.
168g Lucid Verdict (I have been back and forth on this disc and a heavier beat-in Drone)

Fairway:
172g Ace Race Titanium Mantis
165g Neutron Tesla
If the AR Mantis and Tesla fly nearly the same lines for you, I'd use the Tesla. Its not out of production unlike the AR Mantis (stock run Mantis fly much less OS than the AR Mantis) and comes in non-camouflage colors.
168g Elite-Z beat-in Heat
173g Big-Z Heat
173g Z-Flx Heat
Three Heats sounds like overkill in my opinion, one or two straight to US fairways should be plenty. I would remove the middle stability of the three from my bag.

Distance:
173g Big-Z Thrasher
168g Z-Flx Machete I'd keep this as your OS utility disc and remove the Epic.
168g Epic Unless you have a cannon arm and are getting this thing out 350'+, I would remove it. As you said the plastic sucks, and you are gonna be throwing it on thumpers and tomahawks which is going to really destroy the plastic. You should be able to throw overhand shots with a disc that has other uses , and comes in better plastic.
144g Z-Lite Nuke

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If you are having upshots troubles, drop the Mako3 and add an OS putter. Try the GT Banger (I prefer the Scale but I sense a discraft lean). The Zone can have too much skip potential on shots you need to sit. The Banger is good for preventing that. You should have Mako shots covered with the Buzzz and Sol.
I would dump the epic too. Work in a new Tesla or Sol.
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I was going to ask if the Mako3 and SOL overlapped. Seems like you figured that out already though. I am a fan of manipulating less stable discs to hit lines. They can produce some of the prettiest shots. Your bag overall looks solid though. Do you ever find yourself trying to hit a line and not feeling like you have a disc for it?
Thanks for your feedback! Yeah, I gave up on the mako3 because I spent a lot of time just throwing sols. I had lost sight of just how important the sub 150 foot game was and learning to make the sol do what I want has really helped a lot. The two sols I keep in the bag are only slightly different, but I like having them both there instead of one sol one mako3. And no, I don't feel like I don't have a disc to hit any line... I was worried that I had overkill
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Everything looks pretty good. My only suggestion is to bag the discs you're most comfortable with. If there's a question about a disc in your mind, leave that disc at home. If you're missing it while playing, put it back in the bag. If you don't miss it, then leave it out.
Thanks for the feedback! That makes sense, and it's why I made the ones I am most comfortable throwing in bold. I really wanted to just pick a set and move on without thinking about whether or not I miss it, but rather, how can I make best use of what I have. But then I would have discs that occupied the "what if" slot that invariably would never get used. Incidentally, I played my first tournament this weekend and used almost every disc in my bag.
Thanks again for your help!

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You don’t have to stuff the bag full. Just take out the ones not in bold or color.
This is why I don't get a cart at the store, but only a hand basket if anything. It keeps me from overbuying stuff I don't need. Turns out I had use for a lot of these non-bolded discs this weekend at my first tournament, but I think I overthink a lot of what I really need and should better focus on making good use out of what I'm comfortable with. Thanks for the feedback!
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