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Old 05-20-2018, 12:02 AM
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Default Understable Fairways- Innova Molds

I posted a thread the other day about a couple of uphill holes at the local course, and I'm thinking of picking up an understable fairway to start learning the art of the hyzer flip.

Looking for recommendations/comparisons, preferably between the Discmania FD, Leo/Leo3, and maybe even the Millennium JLS. Anything else I'm missing?

For US fairway molds, I've briefly owned a 175 Champ Leo3 that really didn't turn unless there was wind or I really crushed it, and a 167 Pinnacle Patriot that was a flip machine no matter how I threw it.

My BH strength varies from putters around 250 and mids around 275 on a bad day, to pushing 300 with putters and 325ish with mids on my very best days, for reference.

I'm mostly interested in whether or not I just had a very stable Leopard3, and how a "normal" Leo or an FD/JLS might compare. That Champ Leo3 was at least as stable as a Champ TL I was also throwing...

Of the molds I'm considering, which will turn easier? Hold the turn? Be the easiest/best tool to learn with? Is there another disc that I'm totally missing?
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Old 05-20-2018, 08:30 PM
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Old 05-20-2018, 11:11 PM
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Get a pro leopard

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Old 05-21-2018, 07:11 AM
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I agree with the Pro Leopard.

I used them for a few years. but have since switched to a Polaris LS. Just works better for me.

The JLS is faster than a Leopard, but still a nice disc too.

FDs just never worked for me.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:07 AM
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I don’t find the JLS or FD to be very understable. To me they are just stable, straight flyers. I threw both for a while and neither ended up being what I wanted, which was a flip up straight or flat to turn disc at my arm speed.

I went to the leopard, and that’s the sweet spot for me. Pro Leo is that flip to straight when fresh and flip to turn when worked in. Champ Leo is less flip to straight when worked in and very much like a brand new first thro pro to me. At least the one I throw is. The older pearly champs I have thrown are flippier, leo3 is more akin to a JLS than anything I think.

Depends how flippy you want, cheetahs are cool too for slower arms, and do some unique things, roll easy if not far. DX Leo’s are quite flippy pretty quick.
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Have you tried a Stingray? It’s a mid, but i play with some older guys who throw them as far as anything.

Very manageable rim size and it gets a good glide understable flight.

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Old 05-21-2018, 09:33 AM
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I agree with the FD not really being "flippy" like a leopard -- more straight, but it's good to have when you just want to throw it down a hallway and not finish left or right. Flies a little farther than a mid and easy to control.

You haven't mentioned the roadrunner or sidewinder. The roadrunner comes slightly flippier than a sidewinder and both are noticeably faster than the leopard or FD -- may not officially fall into the "fairway" slot per Innova, but that's what I always use them for. Of the premium plastics, the echo star roadrunner (which I think innova discontinued recently?) is the flippiest new. Some star/champ rr's come slightly overstable and of course the best way to get to know an innova mold is to throw dx plastic. Cheap/grippy and runs through states of wear fast so you can get a feel for what's possible over the long haul with the fancy stuff. Sidewinders are always a hoot to throw and easy to control.

Stingray's are the most fun and but just don't have the cult following of Discraft's comet -- if you're having a bad day throw dx stingrays -- always flipping straight and doing stuff that cheers you up. When you wake up on your 50th birthday a dx stingray and a dumb looking hat are on the pillow next to you -- it's a good thing.
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Have you tried a Stingray? It’s a mid, but i play with some older guys who throw them as far as anything.

Very manageable rim size and it gets a good glide understable flight.
To me, the only slower (speed 7 or less) innova plastic that I can get an easy turn out of off the shelf is DX - I would look at a DX leopard or stingray if you want something you only really pull out for that one hole.
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I'd throw DX Cheetahs over DX Leopards.

Cheetahs are fun discs to throw
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The FD is flippy in G-line. But not really in a good way from my experience, it seems hard for me to predict how much it's going to turn, usually a lot, and then it still has a decent amount of fade at the end.

I find that a GStar Leopard has a more controllable flight and powers down better.
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