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Old 11-13-2019, 11:50 PM
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I've only thrown 1 Savant, but for me it was slower and beefier than an Orc. Shorter too. If you want a less stable Orc, try a Beast X.
P-PD would also be a less stable Orc, but unfortunately are hard to find. CD2 might be a viable option (they have tons of glide).
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Old 11-14-2019, 02:53 AM
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I'm finding that out as well. I was hoping the Savant would be a less stable Orc, but I'd like to try some Pro Thunderbirds now. Champ is far too stable for what I'm looking for.
I say a Viking in Champion, DX will end up quick to be like a Valkyrie after a few years. That might be what you are looking for. Also the straight L winged Wraith might not be a bad choice as that Disc is less OS then the regular standard X wing.
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Old 11-14-2019, 08:57 AM
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Yep with most of the new stuff this year in 2019 I agree. Even end of 2018 the Ricky Destroyer was the new L mold. The Champion in late 2018 to early 2019 had the micro bubbles the way blizzard did but making the disc more OS then it should be, basically an Xcalibur type disc. This year 2019 Pro at one point got floppy not in a good way almost soft like old Pro used for the Rhyno in the 2000's, Okay or Good for putting depending on how you like the plastic. Only new truly good discs molds are the Putter that came out this year to be a replacement for the Discmania disc that the players used that is only a Tour series Nate Sexton Firefly in a Nexus/XT plastic and only god due to being a previous mold. Then that Lion looks interesting being the mold is a less OS version of the ROC that is a mini V mold of the ROC. Gator 3 top will be okay as Innova Has the MF that does the same as Gator 3 top and the old FAF Gators in that the Gator 3 will have less glide, same thing is for the MF in full production. I suppose finding a bunch of old DX Aero in the warehouse in 2019 was a good thing as those are now in the OOP side of the Innova Disc Golf Pro Shop for those who want an Aero specifically and not a very similar disc instead like the Dart or a Rubber Putter.

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Old 11-14-2019, 09:01 AM
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I believe I read that the newest Champ Beasts are X, and everything else is L. Is that still correct?
i hope you’re right; Beast-X is a great mold! Far better than the Beast-L.

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Old 11-14-2019, 09:42 AM
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i hope you’re right; Beast-X is a great mold! Far better than the Beast-L.
I'll grab a few Champ Beasts after the holidays and give it another try.

I got my Innova survey last night in an email, and the last question was "What can Innova do to improve your disc golf experience", or something along those lines. I asked them to stop putting the highly reflective stamps on their putters. I should have asked them to address this X and L mold issue once and for all.

I like the selection of discs Innova offers, but you almost need to know more about their history than Dave to understand what you're buying from them. Very frustrating sometimes.

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Old 11-14-2019, 11:31 AM
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i hope you’re right; Beast-X is a great mold! Far better than the Beast-L.
I stopped throwing Beasts when the L mold came out. I just didn't like them. They felt like slightly faster Sidewinders and had a lazy, almost clunky flight. Champion Beast Xs are very nice drivers. They have a great S curve flight.
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Old 11-14-2019, 11:33 AM
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I say a Viking in Champion, DX will end up quick to be like a Valkyrie after a few years. That might be what you are looking for. Also the straight L winged Wraith might not be a bad choice as that Disc is less OS then the regular standard X wing.
Are L wing Wraiths available outside Pro plastic? I'd be interested for sure.
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Old 11-14-2019, 11:35 AM
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Are L wing Wraiths available outside Pro plastic? I'd be interested for sure.
I'm not sure there's such a thing as an Wraith L...
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Old 11-14-2019, 11:42 AM
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Me either lol. But I swear I read the pros are the L wing. Who knows tho!
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Old 11-14-2019, 11:50 AM
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