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Old 10-19-2019, 06:49 AM
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I am not throwing anyone anywhere.
I am stating what is happening.


As for the separate division, no, no, no and no.
It's both socially and legally (anti discrimination laws) not something you will want to pursue.
You (broader sense) are then forcing people who transitioned, but don't feel comfortable one way or another to out themselves (like I am, I am out & proud about being transgender, I took my life & the chance to finally be a happy bunny, in my own hands).


The clearest (yes, I'm going there) example of how wrong that is, is how during WWII, all sorts of "undesirables" were forced to wear identifying badges in the camps.
NB : the gay movement since then owning the upside down pink triangle out of respect for the fallen and resistance against it happening again, is a direct result thereof.

Now imagine a trigger-happy trans-hating AR15-owning person deciding to go mow down a bunch of transgender people who are conveniently stuck together in their own division. Like cattle in the slaughterhouse.

Need I remind you of the shooting in Orlando, June 12th 2016, inside Pulse, a gay nightclub, where 49 were killed and 53 injured?

No, no, no, no, and for good measure, no.
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No. You did.
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Old 10-19-2019, 07:25 AM
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No. I am not making it political.
I am against violence against people; especially so if it's against people for who they ARE.
It'd possibly be political (and still it isn't) if I were opposing violence against people for what they DO.
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Old 10-19-2019, 07:41 AM
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No. I am not making it political.
I am against violence against people; especially so if it's against people for who they ARE.
It'd possibly be political (and still it isn't) if I were opposing violence against people for what they DO.
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Now imagine a trigger-happy trans-hating AR15-owning person deciding to go mow down a bunch of transgender people who are conveniently stuck together in their own division.
Who are you describing in your description?
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Ok. Even assuming that this is true, this study is talking about women vs women. The discussion in this thread is regarding males who've transitioned vs females.
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Old 10-19-2019, 11:30 AM
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Who are you describing in your description?
Someone who hates trans people.
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Old 10-19-2019, 11:31 AM
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Ok. Even assuming that this is true, this study is talking about women vs women. The discussion in this thread is regarding males who've transitioned vs females.
Legaly, and socially, and hormonally, trangender women are women.
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Old 10-19-2019, 11:37 AM
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Now imagine a trigger-happy trans-hating AR15-owning person deciding to go mow down a bunch of transgender people who are conveniently stuck together in their own division. Like cattle in the slaughterhouse.
Sandy Hook shooter targeted kids in school so let's not group kids in school any more?

Las Vegas shooter targeted concert goers so let's not have any more concerts?

Transgender people are not the only targeted group in society.

I don't agree there should be a division for transgender players but hyperbole is never good in a debate.

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Old 10-19-2019, 11:56 AM
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Legaly, and socially, and hormonally, trangender women are women.
I'm not going to get into a debate about that with you. But none of that matters anyway, as far as it pertains to this discussion. As you well know, the main point of contention here, and in sports, is that men/boys have altered their bodies, either surgically or hormonally (or both), and are now competing against women/girls in protected divisions.
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Sandy Hook shooter targeted kids in school so let's not group kids in school any more?

Las Vegas shooter targeted concert goers so let's not have any more concerts?

Transgender people are not the only targeted group in society.

I don't agree there should be a division for transgender players but hyperbole is never good in a debate.
I agree on the hyperbole statement. Nor is the WWII reference. I used both, in order to get the point across of how wrong it is to advocate (as not one of the affected people) for a "division for people like them"

I disagree on the 'groups of people'.
There's pleasantly few people who dislike "children to the point of wanting to off them all", "children" are not a typical "target of hate". The same goes for "concert goers", "fitness enthusiasts", and so on.
Transgender people are a marginalised, discriminated, ostracised group of people.

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