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Old 01-22-2021, 09:55 AM
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Good call on the Covid concerns. Fwiw... Re: Innova, I live down south so no need for seasonal plastic, but I think most would agree GStar is the gripper/gummier plastic and seems to be favored during colder/winter play. Champion / Star otherwise.
So along those lines, is GStar going to be trash when it gets warm? Or is it fine and just not quite as durable?

I might also be vastly overestimating how much I will want to play when it is cold, given that it's often windy when cold here as well.

Maybe for now I'll just go with the more durable stuff due to all the trees we've got (and the wind, meaning I'm going to hit plenty of them) and just use my old DX stuff if I somehow decide cold-weather play sounds good...at least until I decide I'm serious enough to have seasonal bags.

I bit the bullet and just ordered 4 cheap discs (a couple used, a couple x-outs) Innova Star & Champion Leopard3 (to compare those 2 types of feel), Dynamic Lucid Vandal (the people who have shops in the general area here seem to like these and stock a bunch of them so I think if I like them I could have plenty of opportunity to buy them in person), and an MVP Neutron Photon (because in everything I've been looking at, the double-mold they use seemed to be the most "this is different than other discs" thing that I found, and I'm curious to see how it feels).

Also it's cold enough here now that I should get a good feel for whether any of them are just awful in the cold weather, but plenty of time that whatever I like I can start building a bag before the weather turns nice and at least have something to use when I inevitably smash all my old DX discs into trees.

Thanks everyone for the advice!
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Old 01-22-2021, 10:06 AM
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Just commenting on the Innova stuff since it's all I throw. I live in Texas and throw GStar all year and it's very durable. In general the plastic is slightly less stable than it's Champion/Star versions. With that said, I rarely see any advanced/open players throw GStar plastic.
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:28 AM
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So along those lines, is GStar going to be trash when it gets warm? Or is it fine and just not quite as durable?
I never had problems with Star/Gstar durability, far better than ordinary DX plastic. But I got tired of losing nearly $16-20 discs vs $8-9 ones. They also never seem to break in (get more understable), which can be good or bad depending on player and disc. I also just like the tactile feel of dx/champion better.

My leopard driver and mako (sharks) are star/gstar that I'm sticking with but my Buzz/Rocs are champion and Dx and my putters are cheap plastic I would never get those specific ones in star again. If I'm expecting the disc to smack hard against trees like with hit-the-gap drives, star/gstar is good for withstanding that. If I want understability or needing a personal tactile touch for like short accurate throws/putts, I go for cheaper plastic.

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Old 01-24-2021, 02:48 PM
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I probably don't need to go out and buy a complete set today since I still have some old discs lying around. I DO need a company with a good selection across their product line...but that selection doesn't have to be immediately available (and in fact, it may be in my wallet's best interest if I have to do some searching/waiting rather than dumping money on a bunch of discs up front).

For example: I've looked at MVP, Legacy, Daredevil (not exactly tiny, but I want someone with a lineup large enough for me to carry a single brand to start). I can't get a decent set from any of them at the moment, but I can get a disc or two here and there. I have a background in buying/selling sports cards, so definitely an aspect of "the hunt is as much fun as the kill". I have a TERRIBLE time trying to distinguish between "new manufacturer" and "good new manufacturer" though. For example, I look at MVP and think "Ok, more weight to the outside with the double mold...is that gimmicky or is that good?". I want to work toward an AWESOME set, even if it takes longer while I keep playing with my 20-year old DX plastic.
Discraft should still have some of the models you knew from back then in 1990's, one of them being the Magnet, Challenger, or Focus though Pro D is more like softer runs of DX not for drivers, and then the others like The Stalker from 2000 when Z was first on the market.

Others are like Innova might not be a bad option though good luck finding the Classic ROC in anything other then Star is impossible and the XD is only the + mold if those are you putters, they are still trying to push the Aviar molds big both the Ken Climo Big bead and the Standard with small/mini bead being the biggest push. The Gator/no bead Gator as the Cayman are getting used again as OS approach/long putter discs, the ROC still popular as ever especially now a flat top 3 version is out, and then the Rhyno is still a popular approach to long and/or windy putter disc as well just the Champion plastic disc is still as Domed as it was in 2000's I think that is just how the Champion molds up and R-Pro is like the Soft Pro. The Site https://proshop.innovadiscs.com/ and the limited section might have some older molds that sell but not enough to be in full production Like the Pegasus or the Bulldog from 2000.
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Old 01-24-2021, 07:22 PM
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Sorry for the rant but I stopped from 2009 to 2015 almost fully but Getting some Champion Destroyer 2014 that had numbers on the discs though to be honest in 2009-2010 they were making new Innova molds and plastics for disc molds with the numbers on them. then in about 2014-2015 all the molds got the numbers on them. When I came back fully to the sport in 2015-2016 to see it has grown a tad more at this point by about double what it was in 2008 early 2009. In the time I was gone a brand from China opened and folded and owner of Lighting died with the molds and plastic getting sold off to Gotta Go Gotta Throw Who has promised they would make the disc molds after they ran out the huge stock they had of each mold in the plastics they are made in.
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Old 01-25-2021, 08:06 AM
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I've had an awful time getting a consistent clean release in the summer with GStar plastic. I'm in the southeast, so it is generally pretty humid for me.
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Old 01-25-2021, 10:57 PM
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I do have a local place, there's a vape store about 45 minutes away, but I'm in the area a few times a month. I was going to stop in there just to get a feel of some things. I was trying to narrow down to a couple of plastics before going though, or at least narrow down to "if it's a varying climate from very hot to very cold, definitely avoid this type of plastic" or something like that. I don't want to go in, find a plastic that feels amazing to me, then find out that it's going to be terrible to use in some weather conditions.

I'm also trying to avoid retail spots as much as I can at the moment with Covid, particularly touching a bunch of stuff. Ideally I'd get a few recommendations, then order some factory 2nds (or some used stuff) online to get a feel for the plastics and decide.

Thanks for the recommendation on DiscGolfCenter, I've seen a lot of online places but not that one. I'll add that one to my list for sure!
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:00 PM
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I got my discs in the mail today and went outside, in the aftermath of a blizzard, just to see how they felt. Hands down the winner was the Leopard3 Star. The Champion, Neutron, & Lucid plastics just felt like they were flying out of my hand uncontrollably in the cold (admittedly it's a bit colder than I'm likely to play in, but the Star plastics just felt much nicer in my hands). Even just standing inside and holding the discs, I could tell I liked the grippier feel of the Star plastic. Planning to order some Innova discs, about half Star & Gstar.

Everything I've read sounds like both Star & Gstar are still pretty darn durable even though they aren't the super hard plastic, which is important with all the narrow alleys of trees where I typically will end up playing.

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Old 01-27-2021, 02:15 PM
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Everything I've read sounds like both Star & Gstar are still pretty darn durable even though they aren't the super hard plastic, which is important with all the narrow alleys of trees where I typically will end up playing.
If you're digging the feel of Star, maybe just purchase a single GStar disc to see how it feels. I think there is a big difference between the feel of GStar vs Star plastic. I've had better distance with Star, but prefer the grip G*.
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If you're digging the feel of Star, maybe just purchase a single GStar disc to see how it feels. I think there is a big difference between the feel of GStar vs Star plastic. I've had better distance with Star, but prefer the grip G*.
I've got a couple of each coming (well technically 2 G* and 1 Star because I already have 1 Star), if only because while the star felt much better than the others, I'm going to want the additional grip that G* offers in the cold even if I don't like it quite as much as the Star for some reason (either distance or just feel). I've got a fairway driver and midrange coming in both (different discs, just those rough categories). Then from that I figure I'll know what I prefer when I start replacing my existing old plastic that's inevitably going to get smashed up on trees (or die due to old age at this point).

I'm hoping to get a better test done when it gets warm to see if the Champion is something I'd like better when my fingers aren't being frozen. I'm not likely to have seasonal bags at this point, but since I already got a couple harder plastics, I might as well see how I like them in better weather.

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