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Old 11-19-2021, 12:52 PM
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Been playing for a while but only recently getting serious and working on my form. Watched a lot of SW22 and Loopghost videos and tried to incorporate the learnings. My max distance throws are usually between 250 and 300 without a big difference between mids and fairways. I primarily throw Mako3s and Leopard (classic and 3's).

What I've been focusing on most is the 'whip in whip out' of my arm and trying to get the heavy feeling of the disc. I had it dialed in about a week ago and was ripping mids and putters close to 300' with very little effort but I haven't been able to recapture the glory again.

Looking for any tips you might have, I'll be back in the field this weekend to incorporate suggestions. Some things I've already noticed are my swoopy arm during the swing and how my shoulders seem to tilt up (left shoulder higher than right shoulder) which I suspect contributes to nose up and stalls. I'm also not sure how much I'm actually turning my hips? It feeeeells like I'm turning them back but in the videos it is not very apparent and I might just be swiveling at the shoulders during the reach back.

The throws are all in slow mo thanks to a quick of transferring videos but I'll figure out how to get normal speed ones next time.


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Old 11-19-2021, 05:40 PM
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1. Posture, posture, posture. Need to stop bending your knees and getting into S posture or anterior pelvic tilt with spine extended. Bend at the hips, not the knees(knees will bend automatically). Engage your abs and glutes tucking your pelvis underneath you into more athletic and relaxed stacked posture with the spine in flexion and shoulders hanging forward.

2. Be a lumberjack, not a surgeon. Do not try and manipulate the disc backswing into a spot, let is swing back and get your body out of the way. You reachback very wide out to the side and never really get your wrist/disc lagged inward behind your elbow, or your elbow leading out in front and loading everything up into the power pocket to eject back out. If you do the hammer swing or toss drills, you should not be manipulating the hammer and trying to keep it out wide, you should need to turn your body further back out of the way to allow the hammer to go back to where it wants and your body still has control to send it back forward.

Scrap the x-step and work on your fundamental throwing stance. Use a fan/pinch grip when doing non-throwing drills.
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Old 11-19-2021, 11:30 PM
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Thanks! I'm looking forward to trying out these changes tomorrow. It is dark here but I went outside with a disc and a hammer think I felt some things differently. I noticed when swinging the hammer (and to a lesser extent a disc) that when I was keeping my weight centered between my legs more and bracing against the front foot during the swing that I felt a twisting pressure in my front knee. If I focused on getting the weight to my heel it went away. Not sure if that is expected or not.

In any case I'll get some video tomorrow and see how things are looking. My posture looks so gross now that you've pointed it out!

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I noticed when swinging the hammer (and to a lesser extent a disc) that when I was keeping my weight centered between my legs more and bracing against the front foot during the swing that I felt a twisting pressure in my front knee. If I focused on getting the weight to my heel it went away. Not sure if that is expected or not.
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Old 11-20-2021, 05:50 PM
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Alright played a round and took some video afterwards today. I brought the hammer with me and tried to really focus on my posture. I realized how HARD it is to stay balanced when moving my weight back and forth between my legs, especially in a closed stance. I think this is a good sign as I'm moving my weight more efficiently and I definitely feel my hips acting more.

I finally started feeling the push from the instep of my rear leg too. This is a much different way of throwing than I've done before, I'm excited to unlock the real power here.

For my throwing arm, I was trying to focus on leaving it pretty limp and using my hips and torso to pull it through, it felt quite odd and I didn't feel like I was able to control the nose angle well but I certainly felt more like a lumberjack. Is the disc supposed to get into the power pocket from the weight shift (meaning a shift my weight and my shoulder moves forward and thus bends the elbow) and then the twisting momentum unfurls the arm from there?


Bit of a wall of text there but here are the goods. I included some hammer swings and throws at the end as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8fuVKL6fHg

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Old 11-20-2021, 06:40 PM
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not sure why that embedded video is either not playing or linking to the Battering Ram video. My swings should be in the link I listed which I will do again here:
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Old 11-20-2021, 10:51 PM
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I think my next session is going to be focusing on the double dragon drill. I think that video has answers to a lot of my questions now that I've got more of my lower body involved.

I notice when I'm hammer swinging or replicating the side to side weight shift I'm dipping when my weight is centered and then rising up and on either side. I don't see anyone doing that in such an obvious way when throwing or drills.

(trying to help myself out here ��)
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Most might not notice this, but you are throwing with the wrong hand.



There is something unusual about what you are doing. The way you walk up, x-step, I was expecting your throw to be 30-45 degrees right of where you actually threw it.

I think that means you are missing out on some of the torque and ultimately speed you could transfer to the disc.

If different speed discs give you about the same distance it is typically nose up.
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You are too open to the target, rotating before shifting. Need to shift more backwards to target.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=118948

Your swing is cutting in across your stance \, instead of swinging out wide /.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=132910

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Did a bit more work today, tried to focus on getting the release point our wider in the "4 o' clock position". Trying to hit this made me realize how incredibly early I am with all of my lower body movements. I feel like the actual arm movement is such a small part of the overall motion and SO MUCH happens before the arm start to come into play.

I took video but it wasn't particularly interesting and I don't have time to edit it. A few stills which I'm going off of for next time:



Seeing my front heel still off the ground at this point when it should have received the weight transfer before my arm started coming forward. This seems like a prrreeetttyy big issue I'm going to prioritize.



Compared to the last session I do think I got my release point in a better spot and I was swinging out wide a bit better. One thing I noticed I do is that when my arm starts to move forward it actually pulls in a closer/behind my body a bit. So despite reaching back wide I end up moving the arm in and still getting my body in the way a bit. Sneaky muscles!


Overall I'm having the wonderful and discouraging realization that my form is quite far from where I want it to be and that I've been strong arming everything up until now (and still now!). But I am excited to make some progress and capture that feeling of a well thrown disc!

I'll be back out there soon and come back with what happens!

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