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Old 05-06-2019, 12:15 PM
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i remember that Terns are always awesome if you're a previous tern thrower and you revisit it. but in my experience its a fleeting thing because after a while you're reminded as to what you don't like about terns.

Has never happened to me.
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Old 05-06-2019, 02:42 PM
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Star Terns (when new) are the pinnacle of bombers. But they have a shelf life and can get unpredictable and its hard to let them go, thats where you can get into trouble.

once a star tern has lost its stability you have to retire it to trick shot duties or else you'll end up losing strokes.
I agree. The star Tern is a fun field bomber, but I probably wouldn't use it on a course where accuracy is important. For the course I keep a G* Shryke in the bag. I don't use it a ton either, but it is just a bit more consistent than a Tern and less likely to flip into oblivion.

I figured out I can throw star Terns as far as Shrykes or Ballistas. The things just don't want to come down.

Accuracy isn't great, but distance is completely there. The 2 star Terns I've thrown lately are about 12, 6, -3, 2. Great glide, noticeable high speed turn. They will flip into the ground if you get too aggressive, but they also respond well to hyzerflipping.
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Old 05-06-2019, 02:46 PM
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i remember that Terns are always awesome if you're a previous tern thrower and you revisit it. but in my experience its a fleeting thing because after a while you're reminded as to what you don't like about terns.



Echo star terns (when still stable) are one of the best discs to do distance hyzers on long dogleg shots because they hyzerflip and will glide out and finish mellow even further than a distance driver.

Honestly, what got me off Terns in the first place was the introduction of the Shryke. I put a Shryke in the bag and never looked back. Terns were just a hair flippier and less consistent for me. The Shryke did a better job of covering the understable long driver slot in my bag than a Tern did.

Shrykes will take a little more arm and aren't quite as flippy as Terns.
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Old 05-06-2019, 07:57 PM
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Honestly, what got me off Terns in the first place was the introduction of the Shryke. I put a Shryke in the bag and never looked back. Terns were just a hair flippier and less consistent for me. The Shryke did a better job of covering the understable long driver slot in my bag than a Tern did.

Shrykes will take a little more arm and aren't quite as flippy as Terns.
Agree with this, and will add this: in conjunction with the 150-class thread, a 150-class (or even lighter) Pro Shryke is awesome for those of us with more noodle-ish arms. Lightweight Terns are also great, and it may just be user preference in deciding which to use. I am really liking my Pro Shryke.
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Old 05-07-2019, 01:09 AM
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Agree with this, and will add this: in conjunction with the 150-class thread, a 150-class (or even lighter) Pro Shryke is awesome for those of us with more noodle-ish arms. Lightweight Terns are also great, and it may just be user preference in deciding which to use. I am really liking my Pro Shryke.
I did a bit of field work today. I had a 160 star Tern in the bag. Holy cow, what a bomber! I won't call it an ACCURATE bomber, but this thing was reaching the very limits of my distance capabilities. This Tern is flippy, but reacted well to a slight hyzer release.

I think the lightest Shryke I've thrown was a 165 champion. That thing bombed too.

The 160 star Tern is completely out of control as far as distance. I was surprising myself watching how far it would go on a hyzerflip. Multiple 450'+ throws today.

I smashed the Ballista Pro about that far once, but I find it MUCH easier to do with the Tern consistently. On the course obviously I'd use the Ballista pro, because I have an idea where its going.

I was also toying around with a 169 biofuzion Freedom. That thing is flippier than my 160 star Tern. The Freedom needed a STEEP (damn near vertical) hyzer release to have any chance of a decent flight. I nailed it well once, and it went about 420'. All things considered, the Tern is a MUCH better understable disc than the Freedom. Despite being slower, it glides better and simply flies much further. Freedoms are good for one long bomb in about 10 tries.
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Old 05-07-2019, 09:07 AM
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I was also toying around with a 169 biofuzion Freedom. That thing is flippier than my 160 star Tern. The Freedom needed a STEEP (damn near vertical) hyzer release to have any chance of a decent flight. I nailed it well once, and it went about 420'. All things considered, the Tern is a MUCH better understable disc than the Freedom. Despite being slower, it glides better and simply flies much further. Freedoms are good for one long bomb in about 10 tries.
I feel about the Freedom the way you (Twmccoy) feel about the Renegade: I loathe it. The Freedom is not only disgustingly unreliable in flight, but it was poorly molded, and one might get one that has a high PLH and is relatively stable, then one that that is so flippy understable out of the box that it's no good for anything but a "throller".

I'm a wee bit surprised that you're not getting better control out of your Terns. Unless you're at the range just throwing them as hard as you can without regard to where they might end up. I don't throw as far as you do, but the only time I have real problems with the Terns (I have a 157g Champion and a number of Star Terns in the 160s) is when the wind is swirling and unpredictable.
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Old 05-07-2019, 10:04 AM
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If you guys have not tried the I blend Emperors yet, these things bomb. It’s got Destroyer numbers, but flies a lot like a Sheriff. I can throw it flat and hard and it turns and floats and then fades back in a sweeping fade. The I beats in a bit but feels better than the old pro I remember. Almost like the mixed pro and Star together.

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Old 05-07-2019, 11:20 AM
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I feel about the Freedom the way you (Twmccoy) feel about the Renegade: I loathe it. The Freedom is not only disgustingly unreliable in flight, but it was poorly molded, and one might get one that has a high PLH and is relatively stable, then one that that is so flippy understable out of the box that it's no good for anything but a "throller".

I'm a wee bit surprised that you're not getting better control out of your Terns. Unless you're at the range just throwing them as hard as you can without regard to where they might end up. I don't throw as far as you do, but the only time I have real problems with the Terns (I have a 157g Champion and a number of Star Terns in the 160s) is when the wind is swirling and unpredictable.
I can't say I loathe the Freedom, but there are about 857 other understable molds I'd bag over it.... at least with the Freedom you know what you're getting. Extremely understable. I will agree with you that the Freedom is poorly molded as well. With those super flippy fast drivers you get a ton of inconsistency. I think they just made the Freedom too damn understable. It literally serves no purpose. Thrown with any speed at all the disc flips over HARD. The threshold between flat throw and total flip is tiny with the Freedom. If you power the Freedom down too much you get a really wimpy, short hyzer stall. The disc won't even S curve properly because its so understable.

With the Renegade the flight numbers on the disc are horribly off, and the disc is simply a poorly engineered piece of junk. I wanted something in the realm of a Wraith when I tried the Renegade. Not even close....

I CAN control the Terns, but not at max power. I'd have to back off to about 70% to reduce the amount of high speed turn and flipping. I find that I can throw Shrykes at nearer to max power and have way better control over them. Some of the sheer distance Terns get is that wild high speed turn that can sometimes make your disc drift pretty far right of the intended target. At least I can keep the Tern in the air without flipping it. Downwind (even a soft breeze) Terns are incredible. You can tack on a quick 50' that way without much effort. Terns ride the wind better than any disc I've probably ever seen.
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Old 05-07-2019, 01:08 PM
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..... It (Freedom) literally serves no purpose....

With the Renegade the flight numbers on the disc are horribly off, and the disc is simply a poorly engineered piece of junk. I wanted something in the realm of a Wraith when I tried the Renegade. Not even close....

.... Terns ride the wind better than any disc I've probably ever seen.
IMO the Freedom was created to be a long distance driver with 'no effort' and 'easy distance' for noodle armed DGers. One of the reasons I hate it is because they really hyped it up when it was coming out, and the disc absolutely did not live up to the hype, to the point I felt outright lied to.

Yes, the Renegade numbers are off, as many Dynamic Discs discs are off (Trespass is notable). The Renegade is nowhere near a Wraith, but is on the other side of the stability spectrum. I always like the Renegades okay, and my BioFuzion Renegade is a nice disc. More noodle-armed persons like myself will like the Renegade better than power throwers like yourself.

And IMHO the Shrykes will give the Terns a run for that title of 'best ride-the-wind disc'. Mysteres are nice in that department, as well...
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IMO the Freedom was created to be a long distance driver with 'no effort' and 'easy distance' for noodle armed DGers. One of the reasons I hate it is because they really hyped it up when it was coming out, and the disc absolutely did not live up to the hype, to the point I felt outright lied to.

Yes, the Renegade numbers are off, as many Dynamic Discs discs are off (Trespass is notable). The Renegade is nowhere near a Wraith, but is on the other side of the stability spectrum. I always like the Renegades okay, and my BioFuzion Renegade is a nice disc. More noodle-armed persons like myself will like the Renegade better than power throwers like yourself.

And IMHO the Shrykes will give the Terns a run for that title of 'best ride-the-wind disc'. Mysteres are nice in that department, as well...
Really think the Shryke is the disc they wanted the Freedom to be. I haven’t thrown a Captain yet, but have heard that could be their answer.

Personally I get that flight out of a Sheriff, but I’ve heard for the under 350 crowd it flies very overstable.
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