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Old 01-10-2020, 01:16 PM
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I mean you’re talking overstable for a lid. I don’t think we are talking honey or berg overstable
Berg is the brick of bricks...except for of course the 10m Brick. 3P isn't claiming Kastaplast levels of turd (love the Berg) but still, he's definitely onto something. The whole design of lidlikes are freestyle/ultimate familiarity and release manipulation. Slow and controllable flight. A beefy Rattler might take away from that experience and fly more like any beveled edge mold.
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Old 01-10-2020, 01:34 PM
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I mean you’re talking overstable for a lid. I don’t think we are talking honey or berg overstable
So there is the Piranha factor; the Piranha was a lid that flew a lot like a big bead Aviar for me. It was a lid that didn't fly like a lid; it didn't glide, it was terrible at turnover touch shots, it wasn't good for air bounces...you know, lid stuff. So it was great if you wanted to throw a lid for big bead Aviar shots, but it wasn't much of a disc if you were were looking for a lid to do lid stuff.

The Rattler IS good at lid stuff. So my concern really is that in the denser plastic it might be more like a Piranha (a lid that was good for a lot of golf shots but not really good at lid stuff) than a Ratter.

Clear as mud? For the record, I'd buy a Star Piranha if they made one. My hypocritical inconsistency knows no bounds. I also have not spent money on a golf disc I don't really need and I'm still married.

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Berg is the brick of bricks...except for of course the 10m Brick. 3P isn't claiming Kastaplast levels of turd (love the Berg) but still, he's definitely onto something. The whole design of lidlikes are freestyle/ultimate familiarity and release manipulation. Slow and controllable flight. A beefy Rattler might take away from that experience and fly more like any beveled edge mold.
I mean I could have just read this first. Oops.

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Old 01-10-2020, 03:30 PM
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People have always speculated on “what if” they made a premium version of the rattler. I never thought it would actually happen.

The pro-d’s fly nice, but if you square up a tree or hit a few rocks it’s gonna be warped and funky. I think if you bothered seasoning the ESP it could hold the eventual slow saucer-like flight for longer. Without the fear of hitting stuff. It reminds me of how innova finally made a star sonic for GG.

These seem to be a special run for the guy who’s been running the memorial tournament for a longtime. I’m sure there are more of these that will appear, considering the memorial tourney is still awhile away.
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Old 01-10-2020, 03:38 PM
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ESP Rattler - the new Comet one disc round mold

For real though I bought five just to make sure I get at least one decent color. Plan on selling off the ugly ones at cost, maybe I'll take one for the team and artificially beat one up to see how the flight ends up at 5-6/10. Why not?

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Old 01-10-2020, 06:31 PM
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There’s more of them for pre sale up on gottagothrow’s website if anyone wants to still bite.
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My problem with lids in premium plastic is they only make them in in 168+ weights. It's the one disc class where many people actually prefer lighter weights, to emphasize the frisbee qualities, yet manufacturers only give us heavy ones, in a denser plastic that is already killing the glide. Quit being a dick, Innova/Discraft and make some lids in the 150s in the good plastic.

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My problem with lids in premium plastic is they only make them in in 168+ weights. It's the one disc class where many people actually prefer lighter weights, to emphasize the frisbee qualities, yet manufacturers only give us heavy ones, in a denser plastic that is already killing the glide. Quit being a dick, Innova/Discraft and make some lids in the 150s in the good plastic.
Innova dose make 140 grams and under with the Hero Disc Supersonic 215 and Hero Disc 235 in premium plastics. I know not true lids but they are Catch disc styled. Most only come in a specific weight with only +/- 2 grams.

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Old 01-18-2020, 07:09 PM
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Anyone throw the swirly ESP yet? Tempted to pick one up but would like to know if it maintained its lid properties in premium plastic.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:34 PM
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Picked up a esp from hyzer farm. Really excited to throw it. Will post when I do.
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Anyone throw the swirly ESP yet? Tempted to pick one up but would like to know if it maintained its lid properties in premium plastic.
It’s on the way but won’t be here til tuesday.
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