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Old 12-05-2019, 12:38 AM
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Stagger stance is a byproduct of a proper leg swing, rather than planting INTO a stagger.
Not sure that is 100% true statement, but that is the gist of it or what I'm trying to get you guys to do to create better balance/leverage moving over the rear leg while creating internal torque/rotation between your hips aka "cocking the hips".

Note how far to the right Will's left foot crosses behind so it's kicking way out of the way of the front foot to stride/swing/kick thru. You guys keep stepping in your own way across the right foot with the left x-step and get stuck/tangled up and off balance.


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Old 12-05-2019, 07:42 AM
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Not sure that is 100% true statement, but that is the gist of it or what I'm trying to get you guys to do to create better balance/leverage moving over the rear leg while creating internal torque/rotation between your hips aka "cocking the hips".
SW you posted this the other day on BSammons' Form Thread with Mike Maves discussing the Move in detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC-e1NXR6mk&t=150s. What I missed before and what I was doing was undoing the elastic that he talks about here https://youtu.be/NC-e1NXR6mk?t=220. When I kept the elastic wound up in the weight shift my front foot was kicked through to the right of the tee pad without even making an effort to do it.

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Old 02-10-2020, 10:55 AM
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Thanks France, took me couple months to understand what you said. Focusing on golf mostly, but think disc golf will aid that aswell.

Should the right sequence feel like the rear leg tension stays up untill your lead hip has rotated to same line as your rear hip and that's when you shift to lead leg fully and it starts clearing out of the way?

https://gfycat.com/creativeellipticalcapybara

Couldn't film from closer so made a gif. To me that looks much better than previously, arm gets pinned against chest tho, don't really understand how to get it to stay wider at the start of downswing.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 02-10-2020, 11:24 AM
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When I do it in slow motion, it feels like I rotate against the rear leg till hips are square to target.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:15 PM
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I'm not following what you are saying. There should be a winding/loading up and unwinding/unloading of the rear hip before the front hip opens. The front leg is what clears/opens the front hip - One Leg Drill.

It looks you have little to no internal torque or winding/cocked hips in your stride. Your x-step is so slow, that you are actually slowing down, so there's no point to it and actually makes it much harder to move from this position than if you didn't crossover or if you just started in the crossover, looks like you dip over your toes and reach downward instead of swinging back in an upright pendulum. You can accelerate and load up much quicker in a "standstill" setup.

Looks like you are trying to make your move off the rear foot too late.


I think you need to stand on your rear leg and practice winding up like a pitcher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnhM5amro0#t=23s
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Old 02-11-2020, 12:16 AM
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What I mean is that Mike Maves pressure points/opposite direction rotation in foot is what allows this to happen:

https://youtu.be/NNwSfz0_KDM?t=83

If I don't have the pressure/feeling of opposite direction rotation in rear foot Mike is talking here:

https://youtu.be/dAXNglCDcz4?t=350

My rear rear butt cheek can't keep the pressure against the wall while front butt cheek is returning if I don't hold that rear foot pressure maintained.
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Old 02-11-2020, 02:14 AM
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If you make a shift forward or reorientation of the spine/center, it will maintain butt pressure without the rear foot pressure on the ground with the rear foot countering to right into/thru the wall behind the butt or pulling butt pressure toward wall - forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhUB9GlPzHI#t=1m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI5NgYBk2cY#t=4m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyD1ynQrh4#t=3m26s

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Old 02-22-2020, 08:37 AM
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Thanks, that's some great stuff. I know you arent expert when it comes to ball golf form, but you understand the move to detail.

I'm producing pretty decent amount of power in golf, but some fundamental is off badly. I think it has to do with the way I get on my lead leg, but my understanding of the move is not good enough to fix it. Can you see what is most off and what drill/feeling to work on?

https://youtu.be/ZjkWuFgb8dU

Thanks in advance!
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Old 02-22-2020, 12:28 PM
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I might have figured something out. I've been stuck in the thought of x-factor nonsense.

You mentioned once that your shoulders and hips work as a unit in disc golf swing. In golf I've had them working together always, but they have too big of a rotation angle diffrence for me. My hips turn probably 45 degrees in backswing and shoulders turn over 180 degrees. That makes it impossible for me to get full rotation throught the ball with shoulders as there's too much catching up to do.

I probably have to start breaking the left knee in backswing like ben hogan does here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0

After that it starts look much more like hershyzer drill to me.

Do you think I am onto something here?
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Setup - your stance looks a little too closed and knees too bent. Want your shins vertical with butt pressure, so the bend is more from the hips rather than knees.

Backswing - you can see how Dunaway really gets the rear butt/hip back deep and his rear knee extends behind his ankle and hands are right over rear hip at the top. Your rear knee stays flexed and in front of your ankle and your hands get behind your rear hip.

Impact - you can see how Mike has cleared his front hip back with his butt behind his heels and his arms/hands have all this space to swing thru. You have lost butt pressure humping the goat and your shoulders are still closed.

Hips: https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=133543


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