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Old 09-13-2019, 08:09 AM
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I just picked up two DD3s but still no enigmas. However, when compared against my main DD (pop top shrykes), they are much straighter but just as long. The shrykes required some turn to get max d when thrown flat but the DD3s did not. It was really strange how much glide they had and sneaky distance they achieved by not turning at all.

My point is it sounds from peoples' experiences with the enigma that it is nearly identical to the DD3. I wonder why they would make two nearly identical discs? Maybe the enigma was supposed to be more US?
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Old 09-13-2019, 08:49 AM
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I wonder why they would make two nearly identical discs? Maybe the enigma was supposed to be more US?
Enigmas are more understable, just not a lot more understable. I think DD3s have a stronger fade, probably a little more HSS, but they both have share the tendency in staying straight for the majority of their flight, depending on the power they're given.

Part of what you touched on could be Discmania wanted the highly-sought after Destroyer clone in their Originals line and they wanted to introduce a highly-sought after distance driver in their new Evolution line. Based on who is manufacturing the plastic, I assume the Neo Enigma will wear a lot faster than S-line DD3. While they're both very similar discs I think they're catering to different enough consumers.

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Old 09-14-2019, 12:24 PM
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Enigma is definitely more under stable compared to a DD3. I’ve heard a lot of people comparing Enigma to be somewhere in between a DD3 and DDx. I find this to be true, but closer to a DDx compared to a DD3. I got a full ride out of the Enigma everytime I threw it. Another thing I like about the Enigma is when it starts to fade, it is still pushing forward. This should give a couple of feet extra. A lot of Destroyers, even those that are fairly beat in, likes to hook left when the fade kicks in.


I get the sense that Enigma wasn’t as angle sensitive as a DD3. When I missed my angles with Enigma and threw it with more hyzer than anticipated, it still flipped up. The DD3 I have that is beat in, is still more angle sensitive imo.


For me the Enigma was easier to get up to speed, had a lot of glide even though the top was fairly flat, it had a small dome. It’s not a good headwind disc.


I really liked the Enigma, I’m not sure I will bag it however. For those who think a DD3 is just a bit to OS, Enigma is definitely a good catch IMO.
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:51 PM
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I've ordered 5 Primals (173 x3, 174, 175)

I normally bag Proto Raiders and domey Lucid Trespass. The Raiders are for wind and the Trespass is basically everything else. I'm not sure why but I keep seeking a disc to replace the Trespass. I say not sure why because for me it is a unicorn disc that flips up nice, has a little turn, and a small fade. Hitting them hard (but not silly) I can get great distance. Easily what a Ballista or Shryke gets me but with much more control and predictability.

The tech specs on the Enigma are near identical to the Trespass except 2.2cm wing vs 2.1.

I'm hoping that the slightly bigger wing gets me the additional distance I've been wanting out of the Trespass but with close to the same control.
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Old 01-22-2020, 11:17 AM
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Any new input on this disc? For folks who have been throwing them a while, how does it compare to a DDx, DD3, Destroyer?
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Old 01-25-2020, 05:13 PM
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Can anyone with calipers please let me know how the rim of this disc measures up relative to a destroyer/wraith/ddx?

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Old 01-26-2020, 12:12 PM
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1/2 mm less than Destroyer. Same as Tern. 1/2 mm more than Wraith.

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I've ordered 5 Primals (173 x3, 174, 175)

I normally bag Proto Raiders and domey Lucid Trespass. The Raiders are for wind and the Trespass is basically everything else. I'm not sure why but I keep seeking a disc to replace the Trespass. I say not sure why because for me it is a unicorn disc that flips up nice, has a little turn, and a small fade. Hitting them hard (but not silly) I can get great distance. Easily what a Ballista or Shryke gets me but with much more control and predictability.

The tech specs on the Enigma are near identical to the Trespass except 2.2cm wing vs 2.1.

I'm hoping that the slightly bigger wing gets me the additional distance I've been wanting out of the Trespass but with close to the same control.
I also throw Raiders and Trespasses. As such I'm curious to know your thoughts on the Enigma. How did it fly for you? And how does it feel relative to those other two molds?
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Old 02-11-2020, 12:36 PM
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Any new input on this disc? For folks who have been throwing them a while, how does it compare to a DDx, DD3, Destroyer?
I bag 2 Enigmas, 1 Forge and 1 Neo, both max weight.

Forge: This thing started out surprising overstable (I had read they were more understable). More overstable than some Glow PD2s slightly less stable than a new Cloudbreaker (haven't thrown stock DD3). No turn on a flat release, but had good glide and a nice forward fade. I was able to get some big distance (450+) by flexing them. It's breaking in now and will flip up and turn out of a shallow hyzer before fading.

Neo: This one is newer and flies really similar to a Glow DDx (most overstable version). It replaced my Glow DDx because it has better glide (Glow didn't have the usual crazy DDx glide). Thrown flat, it has a mild turn and the same forward fade as the Forge. The fade is stronger than the Glow DDx.

I'm not familiar with Lat64 plastic so I'm interested to see how quickly the Neo breaks in. Right now it's more overstable than the Forge but it started out less stable so we'll see.

Right now I bag PD2s for overstable stuff and one DDx for long turnovers but I could easily see the Enigmas replacing the DDx once they break in more.
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I also throw Raiders and Trespasses. As such I'm curious to know your thoughts on the Enigma. How did it fly for you? And how does it feel relative to those other two molds?
I wasn't able to do the testing I wanted with winter arriving. I don't get a proper feel for a disc in winter. Discs are too cold and stiff to grip properly. Footing is also an issue.

So I got some throws in but not enough to make a clear decision.

But what it seemed like to me was the Enigma was more HSS than a Trespass. Quite like a Lucid X Trespass.

Given the winter I wasn't able to see if I could get the disc to flip up from a small hyzer (that would be down to the conditions and generally playing a winter course where I didn't really need an Enigma)

If I'm honest I think my set up will be Raiders for distance (I just need to add a Bio version which hopefully will be similar to a Trespass) and then CD2s

The Enigma will get more throws in spring and summer and I'll make a better decision at that time but on my very very limited testing so far I don't think it will make my bag

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