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Old 02-14-2020, 03:59 PM
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I always thought Gold Line Rivers were XL's in a Swedish costume.
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Old 02-14-2020, 04:15 PM
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I always thought Gold Line Rivers were XL's in a Swedish costume.
The funny thing is I switched from rivers to XLs. I found I had more control with it without the stupid amount of glide.

Honestly, I'll probably ignore everyone's suggestions and stick with the XL. It is my favorite disc. Maybe try a JLS if there's a sudden shortage.

It's all conjecture at this point anyway. I know some people like winter golf, but being cold and wet and trudging through snow over my knees just doesn't sound like a great time to me.

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Old 02-14-2020, 04:40 PM
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JLS is a wonderful mold, don't let the numbers fool you. I, too, hate real shallow molds yet I threw them for years - never seemed to bug me...that's my first recommendation for sure. Honerable mention to the Crave as well - they cannot replace one another truly (XL or JLS) but have similar enough flights that release angle is the main factor.

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Old 02-14-2020, 04:53 PM
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JLS is a wonderful mold, don't let the numbers fool you. I, too, hate real shallow molds yet I threw them for years - never seemed to bug me...that's my first recommendation for sure. Honerable mention to the Crave as well - they cannot replace one another truly (XL or JLS) but have similar enough flights that release angle is the main factor.

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Thanks. I probably shouldn't be back, I'll just start buying frisbees and sit around wishing I was disc golfing.

Another bonus point for the JLS is the plastic variety. My favorite XL is actually the X, which thankfully no one else seems to like based on online store stock. I just enjoy Pro ish plastics. DX Eagles flew nice, but they chunked up so easily. X seems to be the best blend of durability and me actually being able to break it in. I have no experience with M, but I'm sure its fine.
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Old 02-14-2020, 10:52 PM
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So I've finally come to terms with the XL being oop. It only took three years. I think? I don't know. I haven't played in two years. And now I'm thinking about it while there's five feet of snow.

Anyway. The desired flight path is around a 7/4/-1/2 at around 300 feet. That's how they flew for me. Some were beefier, some were flipper, but that was the average.

I don't enjoy shallow rims, which puts alot of these newfangled discs out of the running. I also used to cycle DX Eagles, and still have all of them. They do glide a bit more than I like though. The JLS seems extremely similar on paper but I found out that it has a shallow rim today. Maybe I'll have to get over rim depth. There's alot of discs I haven't tried because of a millimeter of plastic.

Oh, and no Patriots. I can't throw those, my dad throws those. Jeez. I might live 1700 miles away from him, but still.

Anyway, any suggestions? Thank you in advance.
I had the XL become oop as soon as I needed a new Z XL in early 2017. Well I used a Stalker in place of the Z XL and a Stalker is almost the old ESP XL in flight minus the hard end dump all XL are known for.

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Old 02-15-2020, 04:43 AM
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Anyway. The desired flight path is around a 7/4/-1/2 at around 300 feet. That's how they flew for me. Some were beefier, some were flipper, but that was the average.
The Mantis, JLS, and Crave are three that should be somewhat similar. The Mantis and JLS are available in X/pro plastic in addition to premium, so you can cover a good spectrum of stability by varying the plastics. I would recommend either one to replace the XL. The Mantis will have a bigger rim than the JLS if that’s gonna be an issue. Crave is a good disc too, I just don’t like how slick Gyro plastic feels in my hand. Some of the neutron plastic feels like solidified Crisco.
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Old 02-15-2020, 03:09 PM
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The Gateway Sabre might be a good fit, in Diamond plastic they should go well with the flight numbers you listed, the Platinums will probably have a bit more glide and turn.
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Old 02-16-2020, 03:08 AM
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I had the XL become oop as soon as I needed a new Z XL in early 2017. Well I used a Stalker in place of the Z XL and a Stalker is almost the old ESP XL in flight minus the hard end dump all XL are known for.
That is a Z Stalker, got backups, 6 by mistake in early 2019 thinking the mold was going oop. Turns out nope just Discraft people clearing out the old Z stamp for new with the flight numbers.
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Old 02-16-2020, 09:45 AM
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I had the XL become oop as soon as I needed a new Z XL in early 2017. Well I used a Stalker in place of the Z XL and a Stalker is almost the old ESP XL in flight minus the hard end dump all XL are known for.
But the hard dump is something I like. Though I have to say that is a statement I never thought I'd make. I like when my discs decisively fade out, not this wishy washy "Eh, maybe I'll hit the ground here, maybe in 30 feet, who knows?"
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But the hard dump is something I like. Though I have to say that is a statement I never thought I'd make. I like when my discs decisively fade out, not this wishy washy "Eh, maybe I'll hit the ground here, maybe in 30 feet, who knows?"
Here is the thing, Mold of Stalker is Going forward but to the ground in its dump flight yet still going forward, it is a more easy to predict fade over the XL where the fade one has to adjust the disc to counter how far left it goes and that with XL varies from disc to disc if the dome is not nearly the same as the old disc you have. The Stalker will be more point and shoot but still enough dump to do what it needs. Really it is more a quick Fade to the ground and slow Dump to the disc while in that one spot of 10-15 feet getting forward momentum. I have never had Stalker unpredictable from where it lands, that is more for discs like Valkyrie/Dragon where getting accidental air bounce to keep going is easy with the mold.

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