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I feel like I've plateaued in terms of distance and I was wondering if I could hear what all I was doing wrong. Here are 6 drives back to back to back I managed to slo mo today.
Shout out to sidewinder, it was nice chatting with you at the soiree the other weekend.



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Old 05-07-2018, 09:27 PM
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Striding too far on your plant step which looks like it throws off your balance and you end up pushing off your rear heel instead of instep/toes. Your leaning back instead of turning back which is putting your weight too far over your rear foot and then you lose control a little and don't stay centered.

It's not necessary, but it could help your timing to reachback quite a bit later too. You are basically at full extension for your entire last stride. That's all I see but I'm sure SP and SW will have more helpful comments.

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Old 05-07-2018, 09:52 PM
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Hmm I've definitely thought about shortening that last step before it's just hard to build new habits. I think some of the timing with the reach back will work better if I plant shorter. I'm definitely beginning my rear extension too early. I'll tinker some tomorrow. My goal I try to do is track over the left foot with the disc for the reach back buuuuttttt I definitely do not accomplish that.
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On that long stride I kinda thinking the same thing your actual shoulder turn seems timed ok with the stride but then your plant foot keeps going for another 12" or more after where I expected it to plant. And hard to tell from the angle but maybe could be more closed as well.

I'm always confused by what looks like different off arm positions and timing as well when it looks to me so much different than what I think is correct from one pro to the other but it looks kinda late getting that in tight.

any way you are probably throwing 60+ feet further than me so I don't think I can add much,
BUT... that Shusterick looking bent knee plant and pivot i'm not sure is long term sustainable?
The third throw anyway hurt MY knee watching it. The last throw was a bit easier looking as far as torque on the knee?

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Old 05-08-2018, 01:05 AM
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Really similar style to Schusterick in lots of ways.

Your first step in behind with the left foot is too far. You reach way out there with the left foot, and when you put weight on it your knee and spine are still behind the foot. You can't get any leverage until your weight and joints are inside of your stance. Below you can see Will does have a seemingly long left foot step too, but he hops/floats to the left foot so by the time he has any weight on that foot his mass is already inside of his stance. You have to keep waiting and waiting for your weight to get inside of the foot, and your rear knee is on the outside of the foot for nearly the entire time.

Also because of this long step you turn your foot 180 degrees from the target, rather than 130ish. You then have to push off the heel and your rear leg kind of locks out rather than driving the rear knee forward off of the instep.

I believe you're also going over the top, kind of throwing your upper body/shoulders/upper spine toward the target to begin the throw. Will lands with his pelvis/lower spine on the front leg and then after catching his weight the rotation starts.


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Old 05-08-2018, 10:25 AM
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As far as leaning back I guess I should mention I am throwing slightly uphill, maybe 20' uphill. I've got a pile of wood I'm aiming at that a range finder said was about 450, I'm coming up short by 20-40 feet and want to be able to reach it eventually.
Knee generally feels good, I did tweak it last winter playing in a tournament where it was like 12 degrees cause I never got warm and wasn't pivoting on my heel well. That being said the main soreness I get after long tournaments is my Tensor fasciae latae, I do a lot of foam rolling my hips.

Schusterick is definitely my form inspiration, I think that's what I was closest to when I started so I've tried to tweak it closer whenever I've watched myself. I was always more inclined to do a stride/walk x step and most other big throwers do a hop or a full run up which always knocks me way off.

I think I can begin my work in a couple changes, I want to stay up on my left toes instead of dropping my heel, and shortening my strides some, see if that helps keep my hips forward and not lagging behind everything else. Schusterick definitely seems to be skipping over that foot during his step, his hips don't drop during it at all.
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Hey whats up! Note how your rear foot/leg is pointed 180 away from target and your throwing shoulder isn't reached back close to rear knee(knee is not leveraged forward of ankle) and your rear arm is really cranked back away from your center, while Will is more lateral with the knee leveraged forward of the ankle and throwing shoulder stacked right over rear knee, and rear arm is in tight to center. Also note how Will's femurs are more upright/athletic position, where your rear femur/hip is almost horizontal and locked out.

When your front heel finally plants your upper body has gone over top the lower body and your center has shifted way forward, note how Will's shoulders are still leveraged behind the hips and has a much more balanced and compact weightshift.

See Understanding Weightshift, Best Downswing Weightshift "that shift is 1" long", Super Tilted Spiral, and Power of Posture. Keep your rear arm in tight and use your feet to turn your hips/body into the backswing, not your arm, your arm can't turn your body, it's just kinks up the spine.


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I did some quick throwing today and threw without my left heel touching the ground. I definitely felt like I was more falling into the plant than I did before. however everything else feels like it's being rushed by this.

I have a quick question about the knee loading up with an upright shin. In the EO2015 vid of Will; if you go back a couple frame from your first screen **** it seems he has a similar loading position. Obviously my foot is turned way too far, and I'm working on fixing that, but I was curious about that part. He moves that knee to the point you have highlighted REALLY quickly, but it seems hard to load your hips back and not have that shin straight with the ankle.
Also I'm 100% not leading with my hips, I think that's the most obvious problem.

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That needs to happen much earlier in the stride, not when you are planting. You are off balance in the x-step/Hershyzer and too late leveraging your weight forward off the rear side into the plant. Your front heel takes forever to plant because there's no weight behind/with it. See how Simon's head is balanced/leveraged forward of the leg mid stride, and also note how more narrow and lateral his stance is. Compact weightshift/upright stance is much more efficient. It's going to feel really weird to you, what feels very powerful is actually very slow and inefficient - you want quickness/suddenness and athletic, the ability to redirect your weight, not overcommitment to one direction.




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This is making a bit more sense. When I was throwing around today everything felt like it was going too fast, which eventually will be a boon. I do like how keeping that left heel up feels, I probably need a long multi drive practice round to tie it together enough to take more footage and see what I've actually done.
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