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Old 10-11-2019, 04:44 PM
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My Matrix is starting to push on a 300' shot, which means it's getting a micro amount of turn to stay straight longer and delay the fade. It doesn't have a 3 part flight yet. I can see the potential for it to become a nice turning disc in time. I almost grabbed a Neutron with a high PL and an Electron yesterday to try to go full-on Matrix, but I got a Pyro and P Atom instead. Maybe next time.
If they flew like a Buzz for me I would have bagged them over the Axis, but for me the HSS seemed like -1. My Axis flies more HSS.
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Old 10-11-2019, 04:47 PM
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When putters like the Envy or Pilot or Entropy fly 300' consistently, what's a midrange driver actually for?
301'-350' shots, lower flying lines, etc.

Don't get this reasoning at all. I've thrown the Envy 450' but I still carry mids and drivers.

No matter how far you can throw a putter, a mid is likely to give you an extra 20' and handle lower lines better.
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Old 10-11-2019, 05:53 PM
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Ok, I need my Halloween Envy stamp fix... Where is it?

I am getting nervous

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Old 10-11-2019, 06:25 PM
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I tried to like the Matrix, and I ...DO, but. It's not a Buzzz, and I find that the #'s are correct 5/4/-1/2 but that -1 turn is tough to dial in when trying to throw a straight tunnel shot - it needs finesse or a hyzerflip and then its hard to gauge the fade. sometimes I finesse too much, other times too little. So it can be touchy for tight lines for me. I prefer the Alias for LASERS and the Buzzz for longer lasers - and the MD4 for a more OS buzz....and recently the Runway for OS mid, digging my setup
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:30 PM
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MVP needs to make a mid like the Mako3, 5,5,0,0. If Gyro works MVP should be able to make it even more stable(straighter) and with less fade.






In the least if you are going to make putters that fly far you need to make mids that fly far.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:37 PM
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MVP needs to make a mid like the Mako3, 5,5,0,0. If Gyro works MVP should be able to make it even more stable(straighter) and with less fade.






In the least if you are going to make putters that fly far you need to make mids that fly far.
IMHO, I think the Mako3 and Alias are basically the same.. They're pretty darn close for me. Alias might have a little more of the gyro effect that you are mentioning but neither really have much fade... My proxy also flies like mako3, maybe slightly shorter but not a lot.
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Old 10-11-2019, 09:10 PM
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I second the alias there. It's a laser beam
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Old 10-12-2019, 03:47 PM
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I love my laser beam Proton Alias too (a better Buzzz)
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:03 AM
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exactly - the ceiling, and the shot shape determine the type of disc WAY more than the distance. There are short shots that McBeth throws high-speed drivers and other players on the same card throw a putter. also the super long holes he throws a mid or putter when its Driver distance. All depends on the ceiling, the shape, the finish, the ground-play and the wind. So yeah, Mids are really important, but if I'm playing a wide open course I may not use any. Just depends. I use certain fairway drivers for low ceiling shots where the distance may call for a putter or mid. All depends.
I favor a putter for most short range shots. Didn't use to. Use to throw Firebirds or Teebirds. But these days, I'll reach for my Envys or Entropys. I have 7 Envys in my cart at the moment ranging from 165-175 in Eclipse and Plasma plastic. Because I carry a range of weights, that's probably different from guys who throw all max weight everything.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:04 AM
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301'-350' shots, lower flying lines, etc.

Don't get this reasoning at all. I've thrown the Envy 450' but I still carry mids and drivers.

No matter how far you can throw a putter, a mid is likely to give you an extra 20' and handle lower lines better.
I throw 165 Eclipse Envys where I use to throw mids or fairways. I get better control and similar distance. That's what works for me.

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