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Old 11-03-2019, 04:11 AM
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Default Do elevated basket placements require a waiver?

And similarly, do sunken baskets? I'm just curious.

The technical standards have a diagram appearing to define the height of the top of the basket above the ground as:
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P. Basket - Rim height above grade (as produced).
as needing to be 82cm +/- 6cm.

And the Tour Standards require (for B Tiers and above) that targets meet the Tech Standards.

But I don't really understand what the phrase "above grade" means here? Does it mean the ground, if so why not say that? Does it mean something else?

Nor do I understand what "(as produced)" is trying to tell us?

So, TDs, do you seek a waiver for your oddball basket placements?

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Old 11-03-2019, 07:40 AM
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No, waivers are not required. Technical standards are for the manufacturers building the baskets, not designers installing the baskets on the course.

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Would non-spec installation constitute a modification of the target?
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Would non-spec installation constitute a modification of the target?
I'm thinking that JC is right, that the tech standards cover design and manufacture, but do NOT cover installation. Therefore there is no such thing as a non-spec installation.

The bit I quoted in my OP, is the only part of the tech standards that appears to reference the basket in relation to the outside world. But I still don't understand what those words are trying to say.

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I'm thinking that JC is right, that the tech standards cover design and manufacture, but do NOT cover installation. Therefore there is no such thing as a non-spec installation.

The bit I quoted in my OP, is the only part of the tech standards that appears to reference the basket in relation to the outside world. But I still don't understand what those words are trying to say.

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Having written the phrase "as produced" it references the manufacturing of the targets, not the installation. If the course designer wishes to mount the basket at a height other than the way the target was made, that's okay. Note that the guideline indicates it's okay to install the baskets at other heights but recommends not more than 6 out of 18 and typically just 2 or 3.

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Having written the phrase "as produced" it references the manufacturing of the targets, not the installation. If the course designer wishes to mount the basket at a height other than the way the target was made, that's okay. Note that the guideline indicates it's okay to install the baskets at other heights but recommends not more than 6 out of 18 and typically just 2 or 3.
Thank you - always great to hear direct from the horses mouth.

What does 'above grade' mean? Just a fancy way of saying 'ground'?

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What does 'above grade' mean? Just a fancy way of saying 'ground'?
Yes, almost. In the earlier specs before "as produced" was added and elevated baskets started to appear, "grade" was considered the circle of ground directly under the basket circumference. Now, it's considered where the ground is/was located before a structure of some sort has been added to elevate a basket above grade. Hopefully, that makes sense.

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It does, thanks for explaining.

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That's just sillly. We had to get a waiver and got it declined for some OB around a basket. But if we want to mount the basket on a 30 foot pole, we could.

Nonsense i tell you.
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That's just sillly. We had to get a waiver and got it declined for some OB around a basket. But if we want to mount the basket on a 30 foot pole, we could.

Nonsense i tell you.
Both are silly. But OB by the basket is an unnecessary and likely random penalty.

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