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Old 03-17-2019, 03:44 PM
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Default 18 Down @ Waco: Soft?



I've played the course a few times as an am, and I think the course is not soft at all on the am side, but seeing how the pros are routinely shooting 13-18 down, perhaps the course could use some adjustment moving forward. Hole 18 (well..DGPT 18 over the water) should be a par 3 for sure. Maybe I'm wrong but I think harder par 3s compared to easier eagles would be better on the pro side.
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Old 03-17-2019, 03:49 PM
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I think 18 would be fine as a par4... if they added the triple mando DGPT wall to the tee. Forcing the players to shape a shot over that water, instead of just being able to chuck a big hyzer, would bring more risk into the equation and would probably make some players layup... otherwise, I agree it should just be a good risk reward par3.

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Old 03-17-2019, 04:10 PM
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I must say that hole 17 at Waco is one of the best pro discgolf holes i have ever seen

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I must say that hole 17 at Waco is one of the best pro discgolf holes i have ever seen
Full scale doglegs like 17 (where players can't cheat the dog) are one of the few ways you can level the challenge to test skill among our top level players to where additional distance isn't a distinct advantage.

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Old 03-17-2019, 04:51 PM
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I've played the course a few times as an am, and I think the course is not soft at all on the am side, but seeing how the pros are routinely shooting 13-18 down, perhaps the course could use some adjustment moving forward. Hole 18 (well..DGPT 18 over the water) should be a par 3 for sure. Maybe I'm wrong but I think harder par 3s compared to easier eagles would be better on the pro side.
The pars are accurate for 950 rated players.

The course actually does a pretty good job of testing the skills of 970+ rated players.

All the course really needs is to use pars for 1000-rated players.

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Old 03-17-2019, 05:11 PM
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How many courses in the world is really made for the few +1000 rated players..and how fun would a course like that be to the average golfer?
Cant really build a course for play a few days a year by the top pros, well you CAN but how would pay for it
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Idlewild was designed to test the top players when the Teebird was the top end driver. It still isn't much "fun" for them with today's tech... but that all depends on your definition of fun. Some people find the idea of being challenged on pretty much every single shot of a round fun...
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Old 03-17-2019, 05:39 PM
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Well take that hole 17 at Waco, i like to see the best players play holes like that. . . But would i like to play a hole like that at my level? try it,,yes.. but play it every week, no. .i would loose to many discs . .and spend to much time trying to find them in the woods

Dumb question. .how much have the average distance the top pros throws changed over the last 10-20years . .
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I think 18 would be fine as a par4... if they added the triple mando DGPT wall to the tee. Forcing the players to shape a shot over that water, instead of just being able to chuck a big hyzer, would bring more risk into the equation and would probably make some players layup... otherwise, I agree it should just be a good risk reward par3.
I don't think it needs the mando. Make the green an island. You can lay up on the tee side of the hole like we saw a lot of players do, or go for the green but you have to land inside circle 2 to be in-bounds, maybe even less than circle 2 (like 40-45 feet from the basket). Something like this...



Make it a greater risk to even attempt to get there for the eagle. And put a drop zone about 65-75 away for any OB shots so just hitting and rolling back into water doesn't leave you a 40ish footer for birdie.
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Old 03-17-2019, 05:48 PM
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I don't care much about what par should be on holes. I see the problem in the designs of multishot holes itself. Too often on these style holes a well executed drive leaves you with an easy pitch to get a birdie. Waco has some good multishot holes but all of the park style ones at Waco are too easy for these guys. Hole 15 and 16 are excellent examples. Basically 2 easy pitches to get your birdie. A 3 doesn't feel earned and a 4 feels like a loss. Chuck needs to design some more highbridge gold courses maybe?
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