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Old 08-01-2019, 11:04 AM
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The PDGA recently clarified their stance on male-to-female transgender players, and what divisions they are eligible for, based on consultation with medical professionals plus other international competitive standards.
https://www.pdga.com/medical/gender-...ibility-policy
Players have to submit fairly strict medical results on hormone levels, including a doctor's signature, to the PDGA.
Seems completely reasonable to me. Congrats to Laura!
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:31 AM
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She stated it perfectly...

"Do you really think I willingly took all of the negative aspects of transitioning just to win a title?!?!"

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Old 08-01-2019, 01:28 PM
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She makes a really compelling argument that the PDGA's current rules as constructed are flawed in that they allowed her to qualify for the world championships in 2019 during the 2018 season, when she was not eligible for the division she qualified in.
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:58 PM
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She makes a really compelling argument that the PDGA's current rules as constructed are flawed in that they allowed her to qualify for the world championships in 2019 during the 2018 season, when she was not eligible for the division she qualified in.
I'm not sure it's really a flaw in the rules. Players qualify for divisions at Worlds before they're eligible ALL THE TIME. I qualified for this year's Masters Worlds in MP40 despite being ineligible for that division last year because I was only 39. I know there are plenty of men and women, pro and amateur in the same boat each year. Not sure why it should be different in Laura's case.

The PDGA has eligibility requirements to play in a division. If the player fails to meet them one year, but meets them the next, why should that prevent them from playing in that division for which they now qualify?

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Old 08-01-2019, 02:01 PM
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I'm not sure it's really a flaw in the rules. Players qualify for divisions at Worlds before they're eligible ALL THE TIME. I qualified for this year's Masters Worlds in MP40 despite being ineligible for that division last year because I was only 39. I know there are plenty of men and women, pro and amateur in the same boat each year. Not sure why it should be different in Laura's case.

The PDGA has eligibility requirements to play in a division. If the player fails to meet them one year, but meets them the next, why should that prevent them from playing in that division for which they now qualify?
Because the player who qualified (Hans) no longer exists. Your analogy about masters is very different than this situation. And she is the one who said this is unfair. I'm just agreeing with her perspective. I think she is much more qualified than either you or I to make this determination, given her personal experience.
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Old 08-01-2019, 02:05 PM
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Disc golf or regular golf are power sports, not endurance sports. One has to have large amounts of fast twitch muscle fibers to get distance. This is not an opinion.
to get 300 something feet of distance?

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Old 08-01-2019, 02:11 PM
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She stated it perfectly...

"Do you really think I willingly took all of the negative aspects of transitioning just to win a title?!?!"
I don't think anyone (at least I hope nobody would) try to win an amateur age and gender protected "championship" by going through an intense life altering medical ordeal. But that isn't the issue. Regardless of the intentions of the transition, Laura is advantaged over her cis gendered competitors.

One of the main reasons that activists want children to be transitioned before puberty is because testosterone hugely affects body composition during that growth phase. Simply removing the testosterone as an adult does not reverse the intense physiological differences in structure and bone mass that Laura has.

I think if you ask Laura she probably wishes that she had transitioned as a pre-teen and been allowed to avoid masculine growth patterns. It isn't fair that she has to endure the body that testosterone gave her. But it is also unfair to force cis females to compete against a transgender woman that has indeed benefited from a testosterone fueled growth pattern in puberty.

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Old 08-01-2019, 03:36 PM
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Getting worked up about a geezer?

I'll save my outrage for something more interesting.
While I'm happy Laura got to become a *World Champion, I feel bad for the other competitors to were robbed.

At the end of Laura's reply, she ripped the other cardmates' lack of skills, exclaiming that was the reasoning for their loss, dismissing the fact that they were biologically and genetically inferior.

I truly hope that Laura finds whatever it is that will make her happy, as I'm sure this is not it. No doubt the work put into this tournament was significant but I'm not sure how beating the next closest competitor by 21 strokes could be satisfying.

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Old 08-01-2019, 03:42 PM
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While I'm happy Laura got to become a *World Champion, I feel bad for the other competitors to were robbed.

At the end of Laura's reply, she ripped the other cardmates' lack of skills, exclaiming that was the reasoning for their loss, dismissing the fact that they were biologically and genetically inferior.

I truly hope that Laura finds whatever it is that will make her happy, as I'm sure this is not it. No doubt the work put into this tournament was significant but I'm not sure how beating the next closest competitor by 21 strokes could be satisfying.
Unlike 99.999999999% of people commenting with this approach, I actually SAW this group compete at the worlds. I was with them as a marshal for multiple holes.

There was move love and kindness than you see in MPO, FPO, etc. Literally hugging Laura, calling her "mama Laura" and etc.

Not a single one of the 2nd through 4th place women cared that they would have finished one spot higher without Laura competing.

So what's funny is why you think they were robbed, those that were actually effected in no way feel this way.

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Old 08-01-2019, 03:55 PM
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So what's funny is why you think they were robbed, those that were actually effected in no way feel this way.
That may be the case. Or maybe our society punishes wrongthink so heavily that nobody would dare to voice opposition.

End of the day, there are a lot of unknown factors here. The only thing I know for certain is that there is a perfectly good division that everyone can play in, the mixed division. Why worry about any of the unknowns when there is an option available that is certain to please everyone?

When my daughter is old enough to compete I will encourage her to play mixed no matter what her gender identity or skill level. I just don't see the value in being the best of the lousiest. Approaching life as a challenge without stacking the odds in your own favor is a value I hope to pass to my children.

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