Making the mando and being behind it

[peabody]

Originally Posted by txmxer

, throw from the drop zone. It may be the only option.

Less confusing is always best.


And maybe better designed holes.

[dndelli]

Originally Posted by peabody

Less confusing is always best.


And maybe better designed holes.

I wonder how this change will retroactively affect already designed holes. I've seen a few J/U shaped holes where the metaphorical line would possibly need to be "redefined".

[Cgkdisc]

Originally Posted by dndelli

I wonder how this change will retroactively affect already designed holes. I've seen a few J/U shaped holes where the metaphorical line would possibly need to be "redefined".

Anyone who designed a hole like that has presumably figured out they needed to mark their Missed Mando Line so it passed between the tee and the basket to prevent short cuts.

[txmxer]

Originally Posted by krupicka

We are working on that clarification.

Any progress on this?

[krupicka]

Originally Posted by txmxer

Any progress on this?

It is in process. Hopefully soon. (There has been a lot of time spent on this over the last two weeks).

[BillFleming]

Originally Posted by krupicka

It is in process. Hopefully soon. (There has been a lot of time spent on this over the last two weeks).

Awesome! I was a volunteer at a recent A-tier and discussed this with several players and the TD. There wasn't any consensus on how to handle the situation that we've discussed ("making" the mando, having the disc roll back towards the restricted area and, due to the backswing, having the subsequent throw enter the restricted area). There was a very good chance of this happening during the tournament and luckily it didn't.

For hole 1, there was a triple mando. Shortly past the left leg of the mando, there is a tree. Several players had their disc hit the tree and bounce or roll back. Fortunately, none of the bounce/roll backs entered the restricted area, nor did they leave the player in a spot where the next throw would enter the restricted area. But it could have happened.

The TD's discussed moving the triple mando so that it would be non-issue, but they really don't have much room to play with.

[Nazanne]

This exact scenario happened to me in a casual round yesterday. I made the mando and then hit a tree and the disc bounced back to just barely (a couple inches) in front of what I interpreted to be the mando line extending from the middle of the tree (the widest part). I played it by setting my mini and not worrying about where my backswing went with respect to the mando.

[BillFleming]

Originally Posted by Nazanne

This exact scenario happened to me in a casual round yesterday. I made the mando and then hit a tree and the disc bounced back to just barely (a couple inches) in front of what I interpreted to be the mando line extending from the middle of the tree (the widest part). I played it by setting my mini and not worrying about where my backswing went with respect to the mando.

Unfortunately, by the rule...if your disc entered the restricted area during your throw (which includes the propulsion of the disc while it is in your hand) then you should have taken a penalty. Just "not worrying about where [the] backswing went" doesn't make it legal. That's why we are waiting for the clarification of the rule.

802.01.a A throw is the propulsion and release of a disc in order to change its position.

Oxford dictionary: Propulsion: The act of driving or pushing forward

So, when your backswing has completed and the disc is moving forward, it is a throw. If it enters the restricted area...it's a penalty and go to the drop zone or the previous lie....which is the spot you are at.

[roblee]

Originally Posted by BillFleming

Unfortunately, by the rule...if your disc entered the restricted area during your throw (which includes the propulsion of the disc while it is in your hand) then you should have taken a penalty.

You have mentioned this several times before and it is an interesting interpretation. I don't think there is a rule where the motion of the disc before release can be penalized so this would be a new scenario. Currently, I don't think a "backswing plane break" is a penalty and I'm really interested in what the RC says.

[txmxer]

Originally Posted by roblee

You have mentioned this several times before and it is an interesting interpretation. I don't think there is a rule where the motion of the disc before release can be penalized so this would be a new scenario. Currently, I don't think a "backswing plane break" is a penalty and I'm really interested in what the RC says.

I think the issue is the spirit of the rule AND the issue that the exact same end point (lie) could require different throws.