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Hi guys, I have been lurking around and read alot of golden threads here on DGCR; but I have not made my own account untill now.

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As we all know the discgolf drive can be a complex son of a b...., so many links in that chain that has to work; but If you had to choose one key factor from, lets say the backhand drive, where that great power is harvest from, the X factor so to say - what would that factor be?

Sure it would be speed, but let's dig deeper

The plant? - the ability to stop that forward momentum.

The Pull? - the ability to pull against a solid plant

The hips? - in what way? Rotational?

The shoulders?

Lateral or rotational?

The spin of the disc? - even superman would need spin on the disc to make it fly

Flexibility? Lever?
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:36 PM
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:41 PM
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Balance how?
Balance in like not falling over or balance in like a balance of all key factors?

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Old 12-03-2019, 12:05 AM
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With perfect form... the key factor will be the same as ball golf: the X factor. This seems logical in my mind. if two backhands are perfect but one has a larger X factor, he would throw faster (assuming all else is equal).
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:24 AM
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So where would you say most of that speed is generated?
In the Runup?
Pull?
Rotation?

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Old 12-03-2019, 01:03 AM
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2020 is the year I figure out how to throw a good RHBH consistently. Better late than never. Once winter is done, I'm going to blow up my form and start fresh with putter standstill drives and work my way up like I should have a quarter century ago. (Heck, maybe I'll even do that in the snow.)

My goal is to be able to hang at the top of am masters next year in a handful of local tournaments. I'm thinking accurate and dependable 350' should do it with my decent short game (for an am). If I get better than that from there, awesome, but right now that would be very gratifying.

I haven't played in a sanctioned event since 2006, and really that was just a small blip where I tried getting back into it. 1998-2000 was when I played in a lot of tournaments. I was ten years out of high school baseball and just muscled-up ugly throws to get 300' RHFH's and much worse than that for RHBH's, which felt foreign to me up until about 10 years ago. It's been all casual, just for fun ever since then...

...and then I discovered Jomez about a year ago. The incredible pro footage we have nowadays has inspired me and I crave getting better. I actually DID get better this year despite not starting all the way over. My 300' is smoother and easier after trying some of the things I've seen from Simon Lizotte and Danny Lindahl. My drives aren't (usually) terrible, but I want more. I'm not getting any younger either.

So...good question, O.P. I hope to discover the things that will make it click and finally get my core and lower body translating energy to the Disc properly. Cheers to all the rest of you in this journey too!

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Old 12-03-2019, 01:36 AM
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So where would you say most of that speed is generated?
In the Runup?
Pull?
Rotation?

A proper hit is what accelerates the disc most. Thats why you see pros throw their upshots so effortlessly in that 250 range. They eliminate as many moving parts as possible and rely on the hit to carry the disc. Most of the arm speed is generated by your body and hips but arm speed is secondary if the disc slips before the hit. Its really not as complicated as this forum section may make it seem. Just learn to swing your loose(!!) arm back and forth and the weight shift, brace, rotation you name it will happen. You already do all those unconsciously when playing tennis, football, baseball, hockey..... The trick is to let the arm swing freely and make it your bat/stick
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Balance how?
Balance in like not falling over or balance in like a balance of all key factors?
Body balance. Operating as close to your center of gravity as possible at all times. Thats explosive power similar to punching. You stay balanced throughout the throwing sequence by doing most of the reach back with turning your hips. Very centered, compact and powerful position. Most of us ams reach back with arm and upper body and its off balance. Most of the energy will be spent on not falling over. Try to punch with using your upper body and arm only and then do a normal punch. That is the difference balance will make in every athletic motion
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Balance in like not falling over or balance in like a balance of all key factors?
Yes to all of it.

You can't focus on one single aspect of the sequence. Whichever part is off becomes the most important part because that is what is holding one back. The whole package needs to be balanced to maximize the throw.

As well physical balance is really critical to getting everything lined up and working together properly. Sure it is possible to huck a disc really far all way out of balance, flinging the whole body around, but with zero idea where the disc is going. Even if you look at someone like James Conrad who might look out of balance, broken down and in slow motion he has great balance through the throw then that awkward lanky follow through.
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