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One of my local courses is a par 62 (I think?). In it's first PDGA tournament this year, SSA came out somewhere around 50. But nobody shot that score. The problem is that a lot of the par 4s are nice par 3s with a 100 ft putter shot added on. It's not a distance issue, it's all about how it's laid out.
If the SSA is coming out that far below par, it's either a weak gold level course or perhaps it's a well laid out white or red level course where those are really par 4 holes for that skill level. But unfortunately it's not identified on the signs that way?
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:21 PM
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My opinion is that "Z" shaped double-dog legs and the 'horseshoe' shaped fairways are at the bottom of the fun barrel.
Care to elaborate why these designs are less fun as par 4 or 5 holes? One of the issues is it's harder to cheat these design styles with power which might be why they are less favored by some? The horseshoe may also require a possibly confusing mando at some point to play properly once the foliage wears in.

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Could someone please explain the concept of "NAGS" or "not a golf shot" to the layman? I think it would be a great refresher for some of us that are less experienced in dg design.

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John Houck coined the phrase, I believe. It describes specific distance (ranges) where the target group is very unlikely to 'hole out' in one subsequent throw, but very likely to hole out in two subsequent throws.

For example, at a distance of 150ft. from the basket (e.g. on the fairway), a Gold level player is still extremely unlikely to make the putt, but extremely likely to have a drop-in after that. This is the 'not a golf shot' dilemma, and good hole design attempts to ensure that 'ideal' drives/placement do not produce subsequent 'not a golf shot' issues.
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:23 PM
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I don't think Disc golf should have any par 5 holes. None. Same way ball golf has no Par 6.
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:25 PM
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Ball golf has more than a handful of par 6s. Check it out.
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Could someone please explain the concept of "NAGS" or "not a golf shot" to the layman? I think it would be a great refresher for some of us that are less experienced in dg design.

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Jeverett threw a pretty good definition out there....the only thing I would add is that is that same gold player not "enjoying" having those "boring" 150 ft shots, thus complaining about the course/designer.
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Could someone please explain the concept of "NAGS" or "not a golf shot" to the layman? I think it would be a great refresher for some of us that are less experienced in dg design.

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What are some good examples of a "well done" 4 or 5? I thoroughly enjoy both 5s at Nockamixon.
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One of the benefits of appropriate length par 4s and 5s, especially doglegs is to increase the player capacity a course can handle for rec play and to reduce stack ups when a field of 72 or 90 play an event. The "problem par 4s" are the NAGS designs where some players on the tee can throw far enough to bother the players already in the green area. This creates stack ups, especially on wooded holes that already play slow due to shots heading off the fairway.

The classic hole like this is downhill where the length might be okay as par 4 for white or blue level on average but the handful of bombers at all levels can sometimes reach it or at least get near enough to disturb the players putting. We (PDGA advance teams) look to eliminate these stack-up holes when reviewing courses for Majors like Worlds either by extending them if possible, but most likely shortening them either with an alternate pin or playing a shorter tee if available. Nevin was a good example where this was done on several holes for Worlds to speed play.
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I don't think Disc golf should have any par 5 holes. None. Same way ball golf has no Par 6.
I can't disagree. Good par 5's; nevin,nocky,moraine,jackson; few and far between in the east.

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Ball golf has more than a handful of par 6s. Check it out.
They are gimmicks. Very few are sanctioned by USGA and none of the 4 PDGA Majors even use them. If the USGA or PDGA thought highly of them you would see them in play at the U.S. Open - the toughest tourney in golf.
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