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Do any of the basket manufacturers make a really high quality marksmen/bullseye sized basket that is suitable for permanent installation and tournament play?
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Old 05-18-2020, 03:27 PM
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... An overall acceptance that disc golf is simply easier than golf and that the pars, relative to scores, should reflect that relative ease would serve as better solution than smaller baskets or redefining par.
Fixed that for you.

Definitions of par (which, by the way, no one is trying to change):

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"Par" is the score that an expert player would be expected to make for a given hole. Par means expert play under ordinary weather conditions, allowing two strokes on the putting green.
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Par is the score that an expert disc golfer would be expected to make on a given hole with errorless play under ordinary weather conditions, as determined by the Director.
Note that for both sports par is the score that an expert would be expected to make. Disc golfers expect lower scores, so par should be lower in disc golf than golf.

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Do any of the basket manufacturers make a really high quality marksmen/bullseye sized basket that is suitable for permanent installation and tournament play?
None of these baskets are approved at the Championship level whether portable or permanent.
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This has been my dream for years. Also, i disagree on the engaging part, we will finally get to showcase how good these top pros are at putting. (I argue circle 1 leaves alot to be desired)

If you have all the top guys competing at a small basket tournament...why wouldnt the same amount of ppl watch or engage? You still root for your fav player to win.
You would need more viewers, significantly more viewers, to justify the change. Not immediately, but demanding subsequent events. Otherwise, you've gone to a lot of effort, to no benefit (other than a few people's "purity" view of more difficult putting).
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Definitions of par (which, by the way, no one is trying to change):
Could be evidence of satisfaction. Could be evidence of apathy or laziness.
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None of these baskets are approved at the Championship level whether portable or permanent.
What would it take to get one of these small baskets approved for Championship level play? Is the quality of construction, dimensions, or that they haven't been submitted for approval?
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PDGA Tech Standards Page 9 shows specs for Championship, Standard and Basic targets. The marksmen/bullseye style usually don't have a big enough diameter chain support and do not have a dual set of chains, just one set of 15. Note that the PDGA may give a waiver to use these baskets in an A-tier for those who wish to try them. Two events have already tested them against regular baskets with the general result that total scores where higher and scoring spread reduced to where higher rated player scores compressed toward lower rated players.
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PDGA Tech Standards Page 9 shows specs for Championship, Standard and Basic targets. The marksmen/bullseye style usually don't have a big enough diameter chain support and do not have a dual set of chains, just one set of 15. Note that the PDGA may give a waiver to use these baskets in an A-tier for those who wish to try them. Two events have already tested them against regular baskets with the general result that total scores where higher and scoring spread reduced to where higher rated player scores compressed toward lower rated players.
Dual chains is not a neccessity for Championship approval.
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PDGA Tech Standards Page 9 shows specs for Championship, Standard and Basic targets. The marksmen/bullseye style usually don't have a big enough diameter chain support and do not have a dual set of chains, just one set of 15. Note that the PDGA may give a waiver to use these baskets in an A-tier for those who wish to try them. Two events have already tested them against regular baskets with the general result that total scores where higher and scoring spread reduced to where higher rated player scores compressed toward lower rated players.
It would be interesting to see what a basket would look like that just meets the minimum standards to be a championship basket, and how that basket would affect scoring and separation.
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Dual chains is not a neccessity for Championship approval.
That's correct. But your single set of chains has to have a mesh with no more than 23cm gaps and a chain support that meets the diameter spec. I believe only Prodigy T3 has met that new criteria so far.

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