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Curious if anyone can speak to this.

If a basket is tucked to the right on a par 3, with a gap you need to hit about 50 feet from the pad that aims 70 feet left of the pin, and then a wide open field after that, do you measure to the center of the gap, and then to the pin? I assume you don't use straight line distance to the pin?

I'm curious mostly because I parked a hole that the card says goes 280, which was 20 feet past my old PB drive (although a few holes earlier I did throw the same disc 320, as measured by UDisc, with a better pull.) I'm just wondering if that means I "found something" or it's just a quirk of how holes are measured.

Edit: And I see the forum is offering me some helpful threads, that seem to basically mean "who knows, it depends on how the people measuring your course did it".
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Curious if anyone can speak to this.

If a basket is tucked to the right on a par 3, with a gap you need to hit about 50 feet from the pad that aims 70 feet left of the pin, and then a wide open field after that, do you measure to the center of the gap, and then to the pin? I assume you don't use straight line distance to the pin?

I'm curious mostly because I parked a hole that the card says goes 280, which was 20 feet past my old PB drive (although a few holes earlier I did throw the same disc 320, as measured by UDisc, with a better pull.) I'm just wondering if that means I "found something" or it's just a quirk of how holes are measured.

Edit: And I see the forum is offering me some helpful threads, that seem to basically mean "who knows, it depends on how the people measuring your course did it".
"Who knows?" is mostly the correct answer. Some signs are very detailed, showing multiple lines with their particular distances, distances to particular landmarks, and so on. But this is rare. Besides this, many holes are measured with a wheel or gps, both of which are terribly imprecise. Happily, precision is not too important in this situation.

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Old 05-05-2020, 07:03 PM
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Curious.... .. I'm just wondering if that means I "found something" or it's just a quirk of how holes are measured.


I would go with this thought

Edit: And I see the forum is offering me some helpful threads, that seem to basically mean "who knows, it depends on how the people measuring your course did it".

And yes on this too.

Just a thought...

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Old 05-05-2020, 08:28 PM
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It's crazy how people will put so much blood and sweat into creating a nice course, but then not do things like measure it properly, with straight-line distance and center-of-fairway distance, as well as measuring certain landmarks. It takes so much less time and effort than building a course, and it's such a useful bit of polish that will improve not just the course, but other courses whose designers and caretakers feel obligated to meet the standard.

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I just make up numbers when I write up my scorecards... I have a pretty good "feel" for the course, so I have an idea of how long a hole plays, so I write down a number.

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I use a wheel and follow the intended fairway.

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I can speak to 2 courses I was in the help on making, we used a wheel from South Dakota state Government for the State Park course Oahe Downstream course eventually name Powerhouse Ally when we went to do the alternate tee and checked the original 9 holes tee and same for the later holes now 12-17 18 is old 9. Then hole 5 is now hole 7, 2 extra holes got put in in front of then hole 5 with 4 being moved So that a longer tee could be made for 7 So we could have a full 18 as 2 holes thanks to old nearly dying cottonwood trees posed too much a liability in the orginal 9 not to mention hazard for the baskets getting crushed. We measured all the tee areas to the basket in the most obvious and easy path on the fairway minus hole 5 then now 7 using the way it is uses in Tournament with a mando around a big Cottonwood tree, before plants grew up in this spot there was a gap right before tree that could save 2-3 strokes if going in there. Now you can't go in the gap

Then for the holes at Steamboat Park (soon to formerly be 18 holes, might loose 4-5 holes due to a water treatment building) we used a city measuring wheel well the friend did borrow it and we measured Using the fairways easiest gap or obvious route for 95% except the two in the wood area as that was a big mess so bad we could barely get the basket in to test the 2 holes we wanted to make in those woods that had to be measured later on the then only line they had. These formerly tight holes have gotten opened up in 2017-2019 and soon in next 3-5 year to be part of the holes lost to the Water Treatment Building.

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oof da... Casey, it's super hard to understand. I think you said wheel measure..?

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Noill,

I think I understand what Casey was saying. On both those courses, on the 95% of the holes where it was possible, they just measured the total distance down the "obvious easy path on the fairway". They had to fudge on some holes because there wasn't an obvious easy fairway at the time they measured.

One time they measured with a wheel they had borrowed, the other time with something else, perhaps.

Some of those "as measured" lines aren't valid anymore, as the the various obstacles defining the fairway have changed (but, I assume, the holes haven't been remeasured.)

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thanks!

We'll see if Case comes in to confirm/deny or add.
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