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Old 08-08-2017, 07:49 PM
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Seriously??? That's an OK response. We continually make suggestions on these forums and other places on things we'd like to see to improve disc golf, yet several people seem to believe that IT IS ACCEPTABLE to have baskets with certain "weak spots" or "flaws" and players "just have to adjust". Seriously? Shouldn't we be evolving to where someone can design one that minimizes the "spits". People on these forums have already stated that they clearly believe certain models "spit out" less than others.
Yes, seriously. I've yet to see a target design that catches 100% of "good" putts. Seems as though every time there's an advancement or adjustment in design that "fixes" one flaw, it ends up creating another. The only way there will ever be consistency across the board is if the sport settles on one design and every target used on every course is exactly the same (never going to happen).

At least if that's the case, whatever flaws/holes it may have will be known and accepted. For example, if the official target spits any putt thrown at a 35 degree hyzer angle hitting a spot two inches above and one inch to the right of dead center at a velocity of greater than 35mph, then a putt that meets all those characteristics is by definition not a good putt.

The problem we currently have is that such a putt might stick in basket models A, B, C, D, E, H, and K but spit out of models F, G, I, and J. But because of how many different basket models exist and the preference of some over others depending on where you are, it's incredibly difficult to keep straight which ones are which.

So I look at it this way...there's nothing objectively wrong with any target that meets PDGA "Championship" standards (the nonsense about DGPT approved targets aside). So long as every target on the course is the same model, the playing field for the players is level. It's then up to the players to adjust their putting stroke (speed/angle/spin/etc) to fit the course and target they're playing on a given weekend. No different than PGA Tour players having to account for the speed, slope, firmness, etc of the greens of whatever course they're playing in a given weekend...one week might be firm and fast, the next soft and slow, etc.

Players would have two choices, really. Adjust their style week to week depending on targets or find a consistent putting stroke that is as universal as they can get so that it works effectively on any target. I've seen Ricky in particular struggle with spits on a couple different target models, so I'm going to go ahead and say he hasn't found that universal stroke yet, even as good as he is. McBeth, on the other hand, never seems to get have chronic spit-outs on any particular style of target. He might be closer to having that universal fit.

The notion of the perfect target is a worthy goal and should continue to be sought, but I also think it's a pipedream that will never be fully attained.
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Old 08-08-2017, 07:53 PM
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Attaboy. It's not the baskets at all.

Now let's try the StrokeSavers.
Uhhh wut?
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:04 PM
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Most likely someone already mentioned this, but I find hole 6 to be an extremely dull hole to watch. It is the 897 ft par 4 banana shaped hole played entirely on this huge flat field with out-of-bounds all the way around.

The problem is that when I am watching online I can't really see the out-of-bounds ropes that are way off in the distance. Thus, the hole simply looks like a huge open field. So, when a player throws, the disc just goes way out there into the middle of a field. When I follow the disc, I have no idea if the disc is headed towards inbounds or out-of-bounds. And, after watching several of these throws, having no way to see for myself what is happening, I just give up on trying to follow the disc.
And, I then find myself becoming disengaged.

Add to this the mundane throws that are routinely made on this hole. Hyzer, followed by yet another hyzer, where one almost cannot tell the difference the two throws. I'm sorry, but this is boring.

If there is a moment during a sporting event where the viewer believes that watching will not matter, then that moment needs to be changed, because there is a risk of losing viewers.

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Old 08-08-2017, 08:12 PM
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Is it just me, but every time I see Josh Anthon run up on the teepad, in my head is: Yabba Dabba Doooooo!
Dude was awesome this weekend. Could be a three-pronged A++ tier now.

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Old 08-08-2017, 08:15 PM
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Is it just me, but every time I see Josh Anthon run up on the teepad, in my head is: Yabba Dabba Doooooo!
Dude was awesome this weekend. Could be a three-pronged A++ tier now.

Yeah, I have seen people joke about the Fred Flintstone runup. It is amusing, but I like it when people have a style that is different.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:25 PM
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Totally agree^
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:50 PM
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Nice top 10 finish for McBride. I continue to expect big things from that guy over the next couple of years.

(I have nothing to contribute to the basket discussion).
Thank you. I agree, but thank you for attempting to right the ship. Now, back to the baskets...
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:21 PM
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To my eyes: We need to start the discussion at "What weak spot is acceptable?"

Any basket that accommodates rising or nose up putts at the expense of falling or nose down putts is a bad design. If you're going to have a weak spot on the chains, it should be one that punishes rising or nose-up putting.

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Old 08-08-2017, 09:29 PM
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What's the tye-dye disc that Paul mcbeth is throwing on hole 4 in round 4 on CCDG coverage?
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:38 PM
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Is it just me, or did the chains seem way lighter than normal Chainstars? All the ones I've played on have the usual style of chains as everything else. In the videos the chains on these seemed super thin. Or is that just the camera shedding weight instead of adding it?

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