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Old 09-28-2017, 02:23 PM
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I tend to agree it's too many divisions, but I understand why it makes sense for some, especially at the upper ages. From personal experience I can tell you the decline in most performance factors drops steeply from 55-on, but precipitously from mid-60s.

I'm 67 this year, and my five MS1 appearances in Am Worlds since 2011 have resulted in two world titles, two 2nds and a 3rd. But I've lost 60-to-80 feet off my best drives in the last five years, making it tough to compete against young-buck 59 and 60 year olds. The best examination of this I've read is Chuck Kennedy's "Hanging On" here:
https://www.pdga.com/hanging

Not sure how much difference it'll make in the end. Even in the Charlotte region where we have a strong base of GMs and Sr. GMs, events often collapse Seniors into GMs and GMs into Masters anyway.
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Old 09-28-2017, 02:37 PM
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I don't think it makes any difference at all except at the largest events that have the attendance enough to populate each of the divisions. At local B and C-tier events and probably most A-tiers, it won't have any impact at all.

Let's keep in mind that just because all these divisions are an option, TDs are under ZERO obligation to offer/hold them all. A wise TD will select the ones that will get interest and ignore the rest. No reason to allow players to sign up for MA65 if you think there will only be one. Let that one sign up for MA50 or MA60 or whatever is offered rather than have to move them around on tournament day.

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Old 09-28-2017, 02:38 PM
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It will be interesting here in SoCal as well, where we have a sizable Grandmaster player base. A worthy experiment to try, as several of us are walking/limping testimonies to the difference five-year blocks make. For those who are concerned about diluting the divisions, let the experiment run its course and people decide where they want to play. Maybe we will learn something and encourage the continued participation of 58 or 63 year-olds who don't want to be punked by people who can throw 80 feet further.
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In my 8 years experience, I've encountered one person that complained about competing at 49 years old against a 40 year old.
Ok?

The new breaks of 5 years don't start until the 50s. So Not sure your point?

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Old 09-28-2017, 02:40 PM
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Key things to remember:

- TDs don't have to offer a division if they don't want to.
- This mainly is intended to be used at the world's and other large scale events, not your local c tier.
- Numbers continue to be our sports biggest issue. This may not be the answer, but it's an attempt to increase numbers
- This will not be in effect for the worlds in 2018.

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Old 09-28-2017, 03:43 PM
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Ok?

The new breaks of 5 years don't start until the 50s. So Not sure your point?
I understand that. How are you not sure of my point? I've played numerous tournaments over 8 years and only heard one person over 40 voice their complaint about the 10 year age gap of their protected division.
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I understand that. How are you not sure of my point? I've played numerous tournaments over 8 years and only heard one person over 40 voice their complaint about the 10 year age gap of their protected division.
This makes more sense than the way you originally put it. Thanks for clarifying. I see what you are saying now.

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Old 09-28-2017, 04:45 PM
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In my 8 years experience, I've encountered one person that complained about competing at 49 years old against a 40 year old.
However, this change now gives them the opportunity to.
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I can't wait to see what kind of chaos this creates at age-protected tournaments next year. I'll be in a different division, but I don't know about the rest of the guys as I don't know their actual ages, only that they're between 60 and 70. It could get interesting when they find out who they DON'T have to compete against anymore, and you just might see some different names on top of the leader board at some of these masters tourneys.
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It will be interesting here in SoCal as well, where we have a sizable Grandmaster player base. A worthy experiment to try, as several of us are walking/limping testimonies to the difference five-year blocks make. For those who are concerned about diluting the divisions, let the experiment run its course and people decide where they want to play. Maybe we will learn something and encourage the continued participation of 58 or 63 year-olds who don't want to be punked by people who can throw 80 feet further.
First, Get off my lawn!

That said, I doubt there will be much experimentation as the elder divisions will not be offered in the vast majority of tournaments (as said above). TDs are biased toward to 20-40 year old demographic because those divisions can be relied on to fill quickly. A TD doesn't want the uncertainty of a slow fill or the hassle of reassigning players, nor does a TD want to to buy additional trophies or have other division specific duties or expenses.

This is fact in the Portland area, and extends to the further end of rating protected divisions -- we rarely see MA3 and virtually never see MA4 (or juniors).

I would like to see the PDGA require state coordinators to actively promote at least one sanctioned tournament a year with all divisions represented -- or at least offered. Maybe a subsidized state championship?

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