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Old 04-19-2020, 09:00 AM
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Personally, I still view overstable discs in a old-school Discraft rating sort of way. In other words, I just think more or less overstable. Of course, Discraft didn't give a speed rating back in the day, but I still think a single "overstability" number combined with speed is enough to compare one disc's beef to another. Trying to break things down much more than that seems less helpful to me, though maybe glide helps a bit?

Showing two numbers (like on Innova or now everyone's ratings) for "turn" and "fade" attempts to provide additional information, but I don't find the numbers helpful for overstable discs. It's hard for me to find a disc that has high speed stability that doesn't correlate to low speed stability, although high speed discs (Katanas, Cranks, etc.) aren't quite the same. That's where the different "turn" number gets helpful.

I agree the initial post is a bit confusing. I wouldn't include Rocs or Wasps or Aviars or Wizards, for sure.

TLDR: when I get to overstable discs, I just think of them in their speed category and then think more or less overstable.
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Old 04-19-2020, 11:43 AM
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Showing two numbers (like on Innova or now everyone's ratings) for "turn" and "fade" attempts to provide additional information, but I don't find the numbers helpful for overstable discs.
Those are the only two numbers I really look at when I look at a new disc. Speed is basically rim width but for each speed the difference doesn't seem to be that much unless you are talking large differences (more than 2 or 3). Glide is just a number that I feel doesn't matter unless it says 1 or 2.
For the most part, barring certain trilogy discs, those last two numbers have been a good way for me to find discs to fit slots that I am looking for.
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:16 PM
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There should probably be a fourth category just for stegos.

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Old 04-20-2020, 10:40 PM
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There should probably be a fourth category just for stegos.
and the Arrow from Aerobie, that was the orginal beef. Currently OOP as are all the Aerobie Disc golf discs.
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Old 04-24-2020, 08:38 AM
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High-speed stability (= won't turn into a headwind) and low-speed fade (= how much and hard it goes left at the end) are two independent properties. The term ``overstability'' tries to cover both of them at once and thus must fail to do so appropriately. Talk (and think) of HSS and LSF, and you'll see much clearer already.

A good example for big HSS without LSF ist a seasoned Teebird: It won't turn and it won't fade. Nobody would call a laser straight disc ``overstable'':
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Old 04-24-2020, 01:10 PM
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There should probably be a fourth category just for stegos.
'unthrowable'

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Old 04-24-2020, 02:39 PM
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I thought: ``cute''. Have you seen these Stegosaurus stamps!?

... probably the least fitting stamp overall.
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