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Old 09-17-2020, 10:11 AM
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Idk, they probably can. The flight of a wraith that maxes out at 300' won't be all that much different than my Roc that goes 300'..
Really? I like to throw Rocs because they fly straight and land flat. If someone is only throwing a wraith 300, they definitely aren’t getting it up to speed, which makes me think they’d finish with a big skip. Unless it’s a flippy wraith, in which case they’d be throwing a big S curve rather than a dead straight line.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:14 AM
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On some short holes around 200-250 feet I will pull out a distance driver in the 9-10 speed just because for me it's easy to control a high speed disc with a less effort throw and have the disc act overstable.

Yeah we’re not turning this into another one of your train wrecks. We all know that you throw drivers for everything and that sidewinders form videos are wrong and your technique is right even though you’ve been playing for 3 months and he’s helped hundreds of people improve their games for the past 10 years


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Old 09-17-2020, 10:52 AM
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Really? I like to throw Rocs because they fly straight and land flat. If someone is only throwing a wraith 300, they definitely aren’t getting it up to speed, which makes me think they’d finish with a big skip. Unless it’s a flippy wraith, in which case they’d be throwing a big S curve rather than a dead straight line.
Skip is irrelevant, I throw all of my shots to include a skip at the end, it is a planned and accountable part of the disc flight. Many times skip is actually desirable; I would rather throw a disc with dependable skip than no skip.

In order for a roc to land flat I need to be throwing a beat in Roc, otherwise it will have some fade to it. Roc, Teebird, and Wraith have pretty much the same fade profile to me. That is why a fresh Roc is great, it has dependable stability. A low power thrower can take a stable disc and throw it many degrees of anhyzer safe in the knowledge it will flex back. I would say that this is a very good control shot. Look at how Nikko throws all of his drives now. The flex shot is a proven safe control tactic.

Again I personally share your preference. I would rather throw a disc flat at its intended speed. But this puts the failure point at the point of release. Whichever spot you release that disc at it is going straight, even if that means straight into the trees. The flex shot makes all that much less precise. It is basically an easy mode shot to take the precision on release point out of the equation and increase the margin for error.
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Old 09-17-2020, 11:39 AM
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Skip is irrelevant, I throw all of my shots to include a skip at the end, it is a planned and accountable part of the disc flight. Many times skip is actually desirable; I would rather throw a disc with dependable skip than no skip.
You must not have a lot of hard pan or slope in your area with always playing for a skip. With hard pan or slope the skip could be the difference between 25 to 75 foot putt.

I do agree at times a skip is very desirable, and other times it is not at all. Often it is an overlooked asset in a golfer game.

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Old 09-17-2020, 11:58 AM
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You must not have a lot of hard pan or slope in your area with always playing for a skip. With hard pan or slope the skip could be the difference between 25 to 75 foot putt.

I do agree at times a skip is very desirable, and other times it is not at all. Often it is an overlooked asset in a golfer game.
I overstated saying skip was irrelevant. Correctly playing the skip is very relevant. I just don't really care how *much* skip a disc has, just that I know how *much* skip I should expect.

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I came here to post that accurate at 300' is probably 400+ power.

I'm not super long or accurate. Give me a couple of my 9 and 10 speed discs and in 5 throws, I'll probably hit 300'+ a time or two, maybe more. If I get one good, I might hit about 320 or 330'. I play a pair of back to back 230' holes, one up a massive hill, one with a super low ceiling, probably like 6 feet in places. I've thrown both hundreds of times. The best I've ever thrown the uphill hole is 25 feet short. And I've thrown past the basket on the low ceiling hole exactly once.
This can be me as well.

My course has a couple 220 - 250 ft holes. Sometimes I get a good drive I will play too long. I know I need to disc down but I feel I'm more accurate at that distance with my undertaker than my buzzz.

My release point has recently improved a bit. I don't currently bag an understable mid but I'm thinking that might be a good option.
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Old 09-17-2020, 12:08 PM
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Old 09-17-2020, 02:34 PM
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Really? I like to throw Rocs because they fly straight and land flat. If someone is only throwing a wraith 300, they definitely aren’t getting it up to speed, which makes me think they’d finish with a big skip. Unless it’s a flippy wraith, in which case they’d be throwing a big S curve rather than a dead straight line.
I standstill hyzerflip beat in DX Wraiths to about 300. I can't throw a Roc that far, but they really do fly about the same for me. Wraiths turn a bit for me at that power and Rocs fly perfectly straight, but I'm talking like 5 feet. Both finish with about the same fade and not a ton of skip, since I really don't put a lot of spin on the disk.

I can push a DX Beast a little past the Wraith, but that disk does take some more room to get my full flight.
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I standstill hyzerflip beat in DX Wraiths to about 300. I can't throw a Roc that far, but they really do fly about the same for me. Wraiths turn a bit for me at that power and Rocs fly perfectly straight, but I'm talking like 5 feet. Both finish with about the same fade and not a ton of skip, since I really don't put a lot of spin on the disk.

I can push a DX Beast a little past the Wraith, but that disk does take some more room to get my full flight.

I’ve thrown a DX wraith and I agree that you can definitely get it to finish flat. The challenge I have is that fast, under stable discs feel way more squirrelly to me than a mid. Little wind, little oat, and that thing is going WAY off line lol.

I can’t get my Rocs out to 300 except in an open field, but I’m working on it!


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A low power thrower can take a stable disc and throw it many degrees of anhyzer safe in the knowledge it will flex back. I would say that this is a very good control shot. Look at how Nikko throws all of his drives now. The flex shot is a proven safe control tactic.

Again I personally share your preference. I would rather throw a disc flat at its intended speed. But this puts the failure point at the point of release. Whichever spot you release that disc at it is going straight, even if that means straight into the trees. The flex shot makes all that much less precise. It is basically an easy mode shot to take the precision on release point out of the equation and increase the margin for error.
Good post, and I totally agreed about flex shots. Thought I was in the minority here...seems like I read a lot of posts about hyzers being the most “rangable” and accurate. I’ve never found that to be the case. If I have the room to work with, throwing a fresh roc with a bit of anny on a flex line is the most accurate, rangeable shot in my bag. It is like easy mode lol


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