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So many people make this invalid argument. Live disc golf is as free as network television. Funded by showing you advertisements. You pay with your eyes, ears, and time.
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:52 PM
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To be fair, NO ONE should have expected as good or better than Smashboxx on the first day out of the gate. That's just ridiculously unrealistic. If we're going to judge them fairly against Smashboxx, you gotta give them a couple tournaments to get their feet wet..
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Maybe your expectations are the problem?
Not at all. After the way Steve Dodge treated Smashboxx, CCDG, and Jomez so badly, we have every right to expect and demand that Dodge deliver a better product immediately, and he has not done so. Because of the way he treated Smashboxx, CCDG, and Jomez, he should not be cut any slack at all.

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Does anyone else think Nate sounds just like John McEnroe?
Well, I certainly do now.

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Old 03-01-2019, 12:56 PM
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Not at all. After the way Steve Dodge treated Smashboxx, CCDG, and Jomez so badly, we have every right to expect and demand that Dodge deliver a better product immediately, and he has not done so. Because of the way he treated Smashboxx, CCDG, and Jomez, he should not be cut any slack at all.
The way he treated them? Is there some sort of abuse I'm not aware of?

My understanding is he made a business decision, informed them of it, and that was that. The outrage that resulted was more the entitlement of the fans of those outlets not getting what they want than anything that Steve did directly.

Jonny V and Gary O are working on the broadcast right now. If they were treated so poorly, why are they back working with Steve on the broadcast?

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Old 03-01-2019, 12:59 PM
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The way he treated them? Is there some sort of abuse I'm not aware of?

My understanding is he made a business decision, informed them of it, and that was that. The outrage that resulted was more the entitlement of the fans of those outlets not getting what they want than anything that Steve did directly.
We disagree, and we'll continue to disagree. Dodge made bad decisions, business and otherwise, and the way he went about it vis-a-vis Smashboxx, CCDG, and Jomez, was handled worse than badly.
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The way he treated them? Is there some sort of abuse I'm not aware of?

My understanding is he made a business decision, informed them of it, and that was that. The outrage that resulted was more the entitlement of the fans of those outlets not getting what they want than anything that Steve did directly.

Jonny V and Gary O are working on the broadcast right now. If they were treated so poorly, why are they back working with Steve on the broadcast?
because money talks i would think

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To be fair, NO ONE should have expected as good or better than Smashboxx on the first day out of the gate. That's just ridiculously unrealistic. If we're going to judge them fairly against Smashboxx, you gotta give them a couple tournaments to get their feet wet.
Disagree completely.

When they say "We are confident that the efficiencies created by our new media team structure and technology will allow us to create high-quality disc golf media right out of the gate" it's completely fair to criticize their first attempt.


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There wouldn’t be this level of criticism had Dodge not set the standard with his proclamation that the coverage would be better. If you put yourself out there like that and don’t deliver the criticism is justified whether the content is free or not.

Coverage today is way way better than yesterday’s dumpster fire but I’m not sure I’d call it better than last year yet.

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We disagree, and we'll continue to disagree. Dodge made bad decisions, business and otherwise, and the way he went about it vis-a-vis Smashboxx, CCDG, and Jomez, was handled worse than badly.
You have inside knowledge about how this was handled? I mean, it's fine if you're unhappy with the decisions or disagree with the decisions, but unless you're on the inside, how can you comment on how he handled his dealings with these parties?

I'm only going on what I saw and heard when Steve was on the Smashboxx podcast where the "firing" was announced publicly. They seemed to accept it amicably, and they're still working with Steve after the fact, so if THEY don't feel it was handled poorly enough to abandon Dodge and the tour, why should anyone else?

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Disagree completely.

When they say "We are confident that the efficiencies created by our new media team structure and technology will allow us to create high-quality disc golf media right out of the gate" it's completely fair to criticize their first attempt.


https://www.dgpt.com/news/media-plan-part-2
JC obviously has a different definition for "right out of the gate"

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