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View Poll Results: Which of these best describes Hole 18 at the Utah Open?
A par 2 where 38% of throws are errors, and 1% of throws are hero throws. 6 25.00%
A par 3 where 24% of throws are errors, and 33% of throws are hero throws. 16 66.67%
A par 4 where 16% of throws are hero throws, and 23% are double heroes. 1 4.17%
A par 5 where 37% of throws are hero throws, and 21% are double heroes. 0 0%
A par 6 where 16% of throws are hero throws, and 62% are double heroes. 1 4.17%
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:09 AM
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Both types? Like country and western? Is that dart golf and foot golf? Or golf billiards, foot golf, card golf, word golf, frisbee golf or miniature golf? Or does it maybe even include real golf?
Yes. All of the above. Golf can be used to refer to all types. You can invent a new version called forum golf and it would still be golf.
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:58 AM
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There's nothing about the disc golf definition of par that ties it to any player rating. Steve made that up for SOCMOBR. It's just one way that SOCMOBR ignores the definition of par in our sport, a definition that is not the same as the one used in real golf.
Nonsense. He's not ignoring the rule. He's interpreting the word "expert" in it, as he's well explained. What interpretation would you use, and how significant a difference would there be?


Or are you falling back on Director's Whim Loophole ("....as determined by the director..."), that par is whatever the director says it is, and ignoring the rest of the definition?

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Old 05-17-2018, 11:30 AM
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Perhaps if there were only par 2's, but one of the beauties of golf (any type) is that an "expert" (or the rest of us too...just to a lesser extent) needs to have several 'skills'. And these manifest themselves much better on holes that are at least 3pars. It's not the Remax Long Drive Championships you know, it's golf.
Yes. But that requires that the hole actually requires the player to exercise those skills. A hole is either a good hole or a bad hole. Calling a par 2 hole par 3 doesn't mean a player is going to use greater skill to play it.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:35 PM
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There's nothing about the disc golf definition of par that ties it to any player rating. Steve made that up for SOCMOBR. It's just one way that SOCMOBR ignores the definition of par in our sport, a definition that is not the same as the one used in real golf.
The first sentence is true. The definition was created before ratings were invented. So, it also does not preclude using a 1000-rated player as the expert. So, the second sentence is also true. That's not ignoring the definition, that's coming up with a practical interpretation. Now, if you know of a disc golf-official definition of "expert" which would not allow the use of a 1000-rated player, I'll use that definition of expert and stand corrected.

In the meantime, why do you so very much WANT it to be true that I ignored the definition? How would the game be better off if it was true? Or, what is being threatened?

As for the last phrase, if you want anyone to take it seriously, please quote both official definitions and then point out how they are sooooo much different.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:47 PM
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There's nothing about the disc golf definition of par that ties it to any player rating. Steve made that up for SOCMOBR. It's just one way that SOCMOBR ignores the definition of par in our sport, a definition that is not the same as the one used in real golf.
It's ball golf....not "real golf"

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It's ball golf....not "real golf"

Shheesh
Or at least.......golf.
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It's ball golf....not "real golf"

Shheesh
Glad you said that. I thought what I was doing was imaginary golf, which gave me some difficulty in accounting for my knee injuries.
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Or at least.......golf.
We could call it kolven, a stick and ball game played in Scotland before golf? I personally like chole, a game from Belgium that predated golf in Scotland. The nice thing about chole is you take a c and put it on the hole. Of course there is no hole in chole, in physical terms that is.
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First rules known for golf from my research.


You must tee your ball within one club's length of the hole.

Your tee must be on the ground.

You are not to change the ball which you strike off the tee

You are not to remove stones, bones or any break club for the sake of playing your ball, except on the fair green, and that only within a club's length of your ball.

If your ball comes among water, or any watery filth, you are at liberty to take out your ball and bringing it behind the hazard and teeing it, you may play it with any club and allow your adversary a stroke for so getting out your ball.

If your balls be found anywhere touching one another you are to lift the first ball till you play the last.

At holeing you are to play your ball honestly for the hole, and not to play upon your adversary's ball, not lying in your way to the hole.

If you should lose your ball, by its being taken up, or any other way, you are to go back to the spot where you struck last and drop another ball and allow your adversary a stroke for the misfortune.

No man at holeing his ball is to be allowed to mark his way to the hold with his club or anything else.

If a ball be stopp'd by any person, horse or dog, or anything else, the ball so stopp'd must be played where it lyes.

If you draw your club in order to strike and proceed so far in the stroke as to be bringing down your club; if then your club shall break in any way, it is to be accounted a stroke.

He who whose ball lyes farthest from the hole is obliged to play first.

Neither trench, ditch or dyke made for the preservation of the links, nor the Scholar's Holes or the soldier's lines shall be accounted a hazard but the ball is to be taken out, teed and play'd with any iron club.

Thou shalt not call any sport whereist one throws a disc, real golf. This is discus golf and therefore not real.
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Glad you said that. I thought what I was doing was imaginary golf, which gave me some difficulty in accounting for my knee injuries.
You need to increase your mental stretching routine to combat these imaginary injuries.

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