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Old 10-05-2020, 04:30 AM
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Default Is this an older/different type of Innova Champion plastic?

I just started disc golf recently, but I've already fallen in love with a 173g Innova Champion Aviar putter that my friend gave me to start out with. I can't throw drivers worth a damn, and mid ranges are still kinda sketchy. However, I feel confident throwing the Aviar nice and flat up to a decent distance.

I'm a bit confused though, since I've heard Champion plastic is the most overstable and very slick and rigid. Mine feels really grippy and "gummy" though, like it can be folded in half. Is this an older version of the Champion plastic? Whatever it is, I really like it, and it's nice how much more durable it is than the DX plastic (gets wrecked immediately anytime I hit a tree or pavement). I have attached a picture for reference.

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Occasionally Innova makes discs in gummy champion plastic.
Old thread about xg
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=105314

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Old 10-05-2020, 02:37 PM
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So XG is just a variation of Champion, but still marketed as Champion rather than a separate plastic?

Is there a way to identify whether a Champion disc is XG, such as a certain version of stamping that they used for a period of time?
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Typically sold as xg, (marked on sticker) but not indicated on the stamp. One exception is the xg usdgc roc+. Usually xg is reserved for CFR/TFR.
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This is more than likely not XG. As mentioned, that is mainly only used for special releases or tournament fundraising. Innova does have batches of Champion plastic that end up being gummy. It happens sometimes especially with putters and midranges. I have an Omega and QMS that are quite gummy for a Champion type plastic.
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If you live in a warmer climate and keep discs in your car in the summer time, the premium plastics can get much softer and grippier than if they were always stored at a cooler temp.
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If you live in a warmer climate and keep discs in your car in the summer time, the premium plastics can get much softer and grippier than if they were always stored at a cooler temp.
Is this a recommended way to help increase grip, or are there too many downsides like warping or reducing stability of the discs? In other words, is storing them in a hot car a mistake or an actual technique to change the characteristics of the disc positively?
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I'm a bit confused though, since I've heard Champion plastic is the most overstable and very slick and rigid. Mine feels really grippy and "gummy" though, like it can be folded in half. Is this an older version of the Champion plastic?

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Gummy Champion plastic happens. I notice it a lot in light discs, although I've got a heavier Champ Aviar that is Gummy Champ. It's not an "official" plastic, it's just within of the regular variation of what Champion plastic is.

As you play and gather discs, you will notice subtle changes in the same type of plastic over time. Some is stiffer, some is softer, some will be slick or waxy feeling, some will feel tacky...it's a moving target.

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Is this a recommended way to help increase grip, or are there too many downsides like warping or reducing stability of the discs? In other words, is storing them in a hot car a mistake or an actual technique to change the characteristics of the disc positively?
If you store them upright and not stacked on top on each other in your car, they should be fine in terms of warping the flight plate. I saved all the old diaper boxes from when my kiddo was a baby and they work great, kinda like a disc filing cabinet. I personally prefer older, grippier premium plastics, especially when the temp is below 80, which is pretty much a constant where I live in the summer. In really hot temps, gummier discs an get a finicky release for me.

In terms of stability, I haven't really noticed a difference in how gummy a disc is in the same mold. It is the abrasions along and on the bottom of the rim that tend to make discs less stable. Honestly, warped flight plates are kinda hit and miss on whether they change the stability much. I have noticed that slower speed discs tend to be effected more by warping then high speed stuff.
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Is this a recommended way to help increase grip, or are there too many downsides like warping or reducing stability of the discs? In other words, is storing them in a hot car a mistake or an actual technique to change the characteristics of the disc positively?
Don't put them in direct sunlight. Don't leave them strewn willy-nilly around where they sit at uneven angles or have weight on top of them. Stuff like that are the no-no's that will make them warp/bleach the colors/etc. Stored upright on edge in your bag or in a box in the trunk or covered in a back seat will heat them up and make them feel softer and sometimes tackier when you pull them out of the car; I've never done it long-term to know if the disc will permanently change or if they just revert back when they cool down. The only reason I've ever done this is because I played after work with no time to go home first, so my discs de facto sat in my bag covered in the hot car all summer.
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