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Old 08-23-2017, 10:37 AM
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I've been looking at new destroyers popping up and am 100% convinced there are two different molds of destroyers. The embossed ones have a less aggressive wing and tend to be flatter, while the pre-embossed 4x's have a more aggressive wing but a higher PLH. The underside of the wing is rounded out on the embossed ones, while the pre-embossed 4x's do not have one like this. There may not be a Destroyer-X and Destroyer-L but the mold is definitely different
Innova does most likely use multiple wings only because they constantly share mold parts. This causes things to wear out and not line up quite right over time. But it also could very well just be one piece that molds differently. Based on plastic blend, color, temp, and a whole lot more they wing can fill in different ways. Source: My first run of Alpha had variances and it was a very small batch compared to how many Destroyers they run.
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Old 08-23-2017, 11:32 AM
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I agree with everything you've written here on grammar, except for one thing. At least in APA format, your comma would go inside the quotes (but, a semicolon would go outside the quotes, confusingly).

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Old 08-23-2017, 11:34 AM
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One would guess the Scorpius really is a destroyer judging by this thread. Either that or an English-teacher.

Go easy on my grammar, I'm swedish.

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Old 08-23-2017, 12:09 PM
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One would guess the Scorpius really is a destroyer judging by this thread. Either that or an English-teacher.

Go easy on my grammar, I'm swedish.
Lol. I know the Scorpius is very similar to a Destroyer, and I believe it shares some mold parts (the wing). There have been rumors both that the Scorp IS a Destroyer and that it IS NOT a Destroyer in the past, but I've never heard definitive confirmation. From my experience, I would say it probably uses the Destroyer wing but with slightly different bottom and top mold pieces. It is a little deeper, and it looks a tiny bit blunter when I put it side by side with my Destroyers, but the wing looks exactly the same (depending on the run of Destroyer and the run of Scorpius of course). The wing also seems to experienced the same sort of variance over different runs that you see in Destroyers.
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Old 08-23-2017, 12:12 PM
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As far as i know, the new ones have a cleaner stamp while the older ones have the ugly Scorpion stamp.
For the record, I actually LIKE the Scorpion stamp. In terms of bottom stamps, I think there were at least 2 runs before the current 1.7's and maybe more. I believe the older ones were penned SSC (maybe those were the same generation as first runs but I'm not sure), and the newer ones are penned SSRP or sometimes S-SRP. If you page back in this thread about 10 pages or so you can see people talking about the SSC vs. SSRP runs (although there's not a lot of consensus about flight differences). I've only owned the 2 bottom stamps, and I *think* they're both SSRP. One is definitely 2.1 vintage and the other is the new 1.7.
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Old 08-23-2017, 01:27 PM
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For the record, I actually LIKE the Scorpion stamp. In terms of bottom stamps, I think there were at least 2 runs before the current 1.7's and maybe more. I believe the older ones were penned SSC (maybe those were the same generation as first runs but I'm not sure), and the newer ones are penned SSRP or sometimes S-SRP. If you page back in this thread about 10 pages or so you can see people talking about the SSC vs. SSRP runs (although there's not a lot of consensus about flight differences). I've only owned the 2 bottom stamps, and I *think* they're both SSRP. One is definitely 2.1 vintage and the other is the new 1.7.
I've had three yellow first runs, pretty sure they were all marked SSC, while my white first runs and my blue 2.1s are marked SSRP. The yellow ones hade a smaller dome and was a little less stable.
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Old 08-23-2017, 01:30 PM
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I have 4 ZeroG. One is 160g with a pop top and it is almost as overstable as a first run Sirius. The others are all ~150g and flat, and they all started out quite understable (think Star Tern). The flat ones make great roller discs for me, which is what I use them for.
switching to light weight disc because of a neck injury. looking for a fh driver that is just a little more stable then the D3 i have.
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:01 PM
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It's definitely a thing. I don't know what actually causes it mind you. I don't know if there are actually 2 different wing mold pieces or if it's the way they cool the disc or if they can "tweak" that mold piece slightly or what. But they definitely have some control over it beyond just the plastic type. The Philo Destroyers show that. Philo wanted more understable Star Destroyers and they ran them with the L wing in lighter weights. They're still Star and lots of stock Stars even in lighter weights have the X wing and are very overstable, but I'm pretty sure part of what makesh ave the only the Philos less overstable is the L wing configuration.
I'm 99% sure that it's just the way that they cooled. I have some stock stars that have a similar wing shape and fly much less OS.

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Old 08-23-2017, 02:24 PM
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I'm 99% sure that it's just the way that they cooled. I have some stock stars that have a similar wing shape and fly much less OS.
Meh, I've written like 3 pages worth of posts on this going back and forth with ORDB so you can go back and read that if you want my opinion for what it's worth (not much). Some people are SURE there are multiple mold pieces, some people are SURE there are not. I have no idea which way it is, although I will reiterate that I believe Innova has some control over it (at least now they do, although probably not in the past).
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:57 PM
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Meh, I've written like 3 pages worth of posts on this going back and forth with ORDB so you can go back and read that if you want my opinion for what it's worth (not much). Some people are SURE there are multiple mold pieces, some people are SURE there are not. I have no idea which way it is, although I will reiterate that I believe Innova has some control over it (at least now they do, although probably not in the past).
Innova always had a lot of free reign in what they gave their partner brands. I think it is better now, but it was pretty messy when they just had to take what Dave D gave them. There are plenty of quotes about the past issues from every Innova partner brand. I've seen pallets of blank JLS at Disc Nation that Millennium swore was a JLS because Innova said so. When in reality we all knew it was a Polaris top. The old Millennium owners didn't care about getting that right. The current group seems to understand how important those details are to their fans now, which is a lot better way to do business. I think DM is just now getting some parts/molds exclusive which is hard to believe after all this time. The MD2 has had a lot of changes to it for example.

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