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I don't know about the sidewinder as a roller, it seems to do a nice s-curve with a soft fade for me. Of course, it's champion plastic. The older DX discs seem to work best for me. Maybe if I had an old DX sidewinder, I might have a different opinion.

An old wraith DX is my best backhand roller, and my best sidearm rollers are worn in DX Raven, Valkyrie, and Stingray. Not all were designed that way, they just become unstable after time.
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Old 08-22-2008, 02:45 PM
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I just saw this thread and thought I would comment.

A lot of guys keep a disc in their bag for rolling. There's one disc you can probably pick up pretty cheaply now and it's fantastic for learning roller shots. The Stingray. There are still plenty of pro's who keep an old stingray in their bag just in case they come across a well groomed long hole for a roller or a hole that's normal flight path is blocked by trees. I have had one in my bag for those shots since I learned the roller shot in the mid 90's. I'm not a great roller and I don't throw it all the time but it's an awesome shot to have in your bag if you need it. If you get one go with the old style plastic (I don't know what it's called. DX or something like that). It will get beat up faster and usually people want one that's a bit "seasoned".

I throw tons of little forhand flip rollers to get out of trouble. Those are great for getting around sharp corners and out of the woods when there's nothing else that you can possibly do. I use Magnets or Mid Range Discs like the MRX for that. It just depends on what kind of turn I want on them.

In theory, a roller will act like any other disc in regards to stability. Assuming the discs hit the ground at the same angle (approx 45 degrees). If you throw a super stable disc on the ground it's never going to stay on edge so it gets max roll. It will turn just like if you throw it in the air. The angle will eventually go down and it will skid out or turn sharply left(for a right handed golfer). If the disc is too understable then it will turn over too quickly on the ground. You can counter some of that by the angle the disc hits the ground but that's obviously not an easy thing to do. For those wanting to learn a roller you should go to a field with short dry grass and take some stable and understable discs. Try to get them to hit the ground at the same angle and speed and then watch what they do.

Don't think so much about max distance as what those shots on the ground can do for you. They can get you around corners or father than you would normally get if the normal flight path is blocked by trees. You won't use a roller all the time but it's good to know how to do it. It will save you strokes and hopefully help you beat your friends.

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Old 08-30-2008, 04:44 AM
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I know an older guy in Vancouver BC who wins tournaments as grandmaster throwing rollers...most amazing rollers I've ever seen, although he can also throw a nice backhand shot but not the same distance. Recently, though, in the BC open he didn't win since the course was on a wicked steep hillside and the roller is no good there.
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I used to think the same way about rollers when I couldn't throw them. Sorry guys but the best players in the world throw rollers all the time and there are advantages to them. I don't see how it would be cheating? You are having to execute a golf shot with correct angle,speed,trajectery,release etc. just like an air shot. Probably a more difficult shot to be honest. Would a thumber or tomahawk be cheating as well? You will find in time that having ALL the shots in your bag is better than just a few shots to choose from. Besides that it makes our sport fun and interesting. I like it when a foursome tees off and everyone throws a different shot!
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Which online video gives the best info on throwing Rollers, YALL?
Here is a quick vid I took of a guy throwing a roller a long way across an open flat field: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJIVb0RhMI
It was during a round of urban golf. It looks like a driver was used for this shot. Good roller shots are both revered & scorned. I think I will arm myself with as many (legal) tools needed to become a better golfer. I will learn to throw a roller! Recently I found my '08 Ace Race disc to be a pretty good roller disc. Not very long (yet) but pretty straight!
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Rollers are super rad. Everone bags rollers, thats just because they don't get them. It seems people thing distance is about air time, and rollers are 'unethical' but the score sheet does'nt show air time. The point is to get the disc in the hole. If you can do it in less with a roller, go for it.

At my local there is a par 3 that everone can reach, but there are lots of trees so there are really only 2 options for air shots, over the top or round the side. There is a path that runs the length of the hole thought the path is OB. I threw a Z tracker forehand all alond the path, and at the last minuite it dives left. Parked it Birdie. Everone else, 4, and whining about rollers.

Rollers are BA! Check the numbers.
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I completely understand the value of being able to throw a roller, and I'm not saying it should be illegal or anything like that. However, there's a guy I see a lot at my local course that only drives with rollers. There's something about it that just feels kind of cheap. That's just my opinion, though. That's my only complaint about them in general -- when people ONLY use rollers to drive.

Also, I personally wouldn't put a roller and a tomahawk/thumber in the same category. In my opinion, a golf disc is meant to fly. A tomahawk/thumber takes advantage of certain "flight characteristics". Rollers, on the other hand, for the most part do not.
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*my 2 cents*

I disagree with the notion that rollers are at all "less than" because they're not what the disc was originally intended for. If anyone is going to be THAT much of a purist, they should also stop throwing bevel-edged discs and go back to lids...because that's what the originators of disc golf intended them to throw.

If someone is throwing ONLY rollers, then they're almost completely missing out on THE most fundamental part of disc golf: being able to control the *flight* path of your disc. My inner hippie screams with glee every time I watch a disc fly beautifully down the fairway just the way I wanted it to, but I get the same feeling any time I launch a giant roller that lands 100' further than I can hit with an air shot. As a primarily competitive player, it's not a matter of what's more fun for me or what I think is more "pure disc golf"...it's about what yields the lowest score.
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*my 2 cents*

I disagree with the notion that rollers are at all "less than" because they're not what the disc was originally intended for. If anyone is going to be THAT much of a purist, they should also stop throwing bevel-edged discs and go back to lids...because that's what the originators of disc golf intended them to throw.

If someone is throwing ONLY rollers, then they're almost completely missing out on THE most fundamental part of disc golf: being able to control the *flight* path of your disc. My inner hippie screams with glee every time I watch a disc fly beautifully down the fairway just the way I wanted it to, but I get the same feeling any time I launch a giant roller that lands 100' further than I can hit with an air shot. As a primarily competitive player, it's not a matter of what's more fun for me or what I think is more "pure disc golf"...it's about what yields the lowest score.
Just to clarify what I was saying in my post previous to this one:

I didn't mean to come across like I felt that any roller is "less than" because it isn't "pure disc golf". The only thing I was really trying to say was that someone who ONLY throws rollers seems to be missing the point, in my opinion.

I agree with basically everything else you said, though.
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A lot of guys keep a disc in their bag for rolling.

..yeah, there sure is! My friend Greg bought THE WHEEL at Art Smarts Dart Emporium in Milwaukee and pulls that sucker out in some unique situations. It's heavy, balanced, and basically has a tank tread for rolling. Hole 18 at Flip City is an elevated down hill right turn into trees some 200 ft away. Good old Greg pulls out the Wheel and down the hill it goes, in and out of trees, over stumps, and wobbles itself right by the basket. so cool.

http://www.everythingdiscgolf.com/Th...l-p-13376.html

Then again my friend Justin aced the same hole in the air a week prior for a $300 Ace pot.

To me the beauty of this game is air and technique, but I will never look down on using whatever tool you have mastered to get that sucker in the basket. :-)
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