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Old 02-21-2018, 12:20 PM
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One thing I notice while trying to load/get the rear hip pointing more toward the target, is I'm getting more flat footed on the rear foot.
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:03 PM
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Old 02-22-2018, 03:31 AM
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Hips ain't leading your stride, your foot is and your feet are too apart crossing over or not really crossing over each other. Hershyzer(1 and 2) with Buttwipe.

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Kinda seems to me that your upper body is ahead of your lower body, or like your throwing from the back leg. Dont know what's right, but for me i get more power delaying the upperbody. It's feels tight in the core.

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Old 02-22-2018, 01:21 PM
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Yeah your upper body is ahead or your stride is late still...I see it as stride/shift is late. Go up to the wall/mattress with the arm/disc out to where the nose is forward and it's essentially the hit point. In a normal closed standstill stance. Push the nose of the disc against the wall. Now push with your rear foot so that the harder you push the more the nose of the disc is driven into the wall. You should feel a tight and connected core/arm, and that you can keep putting more and more weight on your back toes straight into the wall, almost like your plant leg keeps getting lighter because you have a connection from back foot to hit point. Now once you've felt this, turn back a bit so that the disc is anywhere from 6" to 2' from the wall/mattress, and try to leverage it forward the same way from your rear toes so that your back foot drives the disc through the mattress. Direct connection feeling.

Once you can do this, it should transition to a longer backswing in standstill, and also maintaining the feeling/leverage/connection in an X-step. On video afterwards it will hopefully "look" correct. Even though in this experiment your back toes have solid weight on the ground when pushing through the hit point/wall, when you speed it up during a throw while maintaining the feeling, they will leave the ground on time.

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Old 02-22-2018, 04:36 PM
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Sorry for the bad angle, just did a quick one shot video. Hopefully it still helps. When I tilt over on one leg I'm just swinging my back leg out straight behind me, you can kind of see in the shadow.


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Old 02-22-2018, 05:14 PM
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Sorry for the bad angle, just did a quick one shot video. Hopefully it still helps. When I tilt over on one leg I'm just swinging my back leg out straight behind me, you can kind of see in the shadow.

SP this also shows how the plant leg is the axis point for the leverage. Very nice.

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Old 02-22-2018, 05:16 PM
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SP this also shows how the plant leg is the axis point for the leverage. Very nice.
Exactly. The back foot will counter and be behind the plant dynamically at the moment you pull through the hit. The point of the back leg counter isn't to stop you from tipping forward, but to give you some weight to swing from, and the timing/positioning that is important is that it links up at the hit. You'll notice all the pro's have that back hip/leg recoil right at the hit point.

Once I started feeling this, it stopped me from needing to over reach back, stopped me from disconnecting my arm/shoulder from my torso from the reachback to right pec, and made me stop thinking about weight transfer from back foot to front foot and instead from back foot to disc.

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Old 02-22-2018, 08:52 PM
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... back foot to disc.
I like this.

I was thinking about it while doing field work this evening. It sure clears the mind of all the other clutter and smooths out the throw.

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Old 02-22-2018, 10:05 PM
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I like this.

I was thinking about it while doing field work this evening. It sure clears the mind of all the other clutter and smooths out the throw.
That's exactly how it is for me too...if I can't get to that leveraged position where my transfer is directly aiding to the disc, then I've lost everything. Of course there are tons of other body positions that have to be right and made to muscle memory along the way too. But it definitely puts the focus on what matters, rather than a huge reachback or big heel plant or something.

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